Re: Update: Los Angeles Couple That Tortured 5 Yr Old Arrested


"Kathy" <kb222@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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tiny dancer wrote:
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On Jun 18, 2:19 pm, Kathy <kb...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
bessie wrote:
On Jun 18, 1:15 pm, Wild Monkshood <Wild_Monksh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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bessie wrote:
On Jun 18, 7:54 am, Kathy <kb...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Chocolic wrote:
"John" <runningb...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Millions of kids are tortured every day - it's called "spanking",
Am I
right?
Oh man, this is way different than spanking for cripes sake.
Chocolic
Only in degree. Spanking is inflicting pain on a defenseless child.
Assaulting an adult and inflicting pain is not allowed, not even for
the
worst criminals, I don't know why it's allowed on defenseless
children.
Kathy
Don't be dim, there is a thing called discipline and it isn't even
close to what this child endured.
Are you for real, or just stupid?
I was spanked. It taught me about actions and consequences. Although,
I
was never beaten unmercifully. I know it is a debate that has
entrenched
reasoning on both sides, but I don't believe that a time-out or
interpersonal scolding would have had a better result on my
understanding....
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I agree, I knew what would happen if I crossed the line, so I didn't
cross it!
But it sounds like you thought about it.

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Yes numbnuts, which I would not have done if there were no
consequences. I would have DONE IT.
Discipline teaches children boundaries, and that is why today you have
so many rude effing teens and young adults, becuase dipsticks like you
don't want to "inflict pain" by teaching children what is acceptable
behavour.

Twit


Right on, bessie. One can always tell children who have been effectively
disciplined. They aren't the ones that everyone is turning around to
look at in stores and restaurants because they are being such brats. You
teach them from toddler on and by the time they start school, they aren't
disobedient brats who cause problems.




I'm surprised at you, Tiny. You really believe that spanking is the only
way to discipline children? That the only reason kids become brats is
because they're not spanked?

Kathy


Where did I say it was the *only* effective way to discipline children? I'm
curious as to whether you've actually raised any children, Kathy? I only
had to actually spank one of my children. The other two responded very well
to simply listening. The middle one, not so much. The last time I remember
actually spanking her, she was about four years old. She and her sister
were across the street, riding big wheels in my neighbors driveway with a
number of the other neighborhood children. They had been zooming their big
wheels down the driveway all afternoon, supervised by the mom who lived in
that house. I had come outside to sit on my porch and rock my baby who had
just woken up from her nap. I started watching the kids from my porch and
something about her expression caught my attention. Call it 'mothers
intuition'. Something about her expression told me she wasn't going to stop
at the end of the driveway that time. Before I could even stand up and
scream at her, she was down that hill and straight out into the street,
right in front of another neighbors car. I heard the brakes squeal and my
heart stopped. It took a second or two, seemed like forever, before I was
able to see the car had stopped in time. She had been told and told NEVER
GO INTO THE STREET, EVER! I grabbed her off that big wheel and smacked her
bottom. After that, she *remembered*. No more riding big wheels into the
street. PERIOD.

Just last week, when I had all three of my grandsons here, the twins, just
turned three, were jumping and rocking on the recliner. I told them at
least three times to 'knock it off, you are going to break the chair or fall
onto the hardwood floor on your heads.' Each time they stopped for a moment
or two, and then started 'rough-housing' all over again. I was cooking
their lunch at the time, so I finally went over and grabbed 'em each by the
arm and swatted 'em on their butts one time each. That caught their
attention. They knew grandma meant business. Putting those little boys in
'time out' sometimes works. But not when they are all riled up 'together'.
If it's one or the other of 'em, yeah, time out works. But not when both of
them are acting up in concert.

I've popped hands for trying to pull electrical cords after telling them
numerous times to stop that. After going over and removing them from the
thing they are trying to get. I physically remove them three or four times,
and if they go right back to it again, I pop their hand and tell them 'NO'.
Once they get popped, they respond.

All kids are different. Some kids relish in praise and others are
mischievous and into everything. My middle one used to pull the neighbors
cats tails. I was constantly afraid one of those cats would turn and claw
or scratch her in response. I truly have found that if you keep on your
kids behaviors from toddler to about four or five, by that time they are
trained as to what is acceptable and what isn't. I certainly don't think
spanking a 10 or 12 year old is acceptable. The issue never came up in our
house. By the time my kids were that age, they understood other punishments
well enough. Like being grounded or on restriction. Three or four year
olds don't understand that method and it doesn't work with them. Those are
my views, and there wasn't ever anyplace I couldn't take my kids. They went
to doctor visits with me, dentist visits, flew on airplanes, ate in
restaurants. They weren't disruptive, didn't throw tantrums, and most
people liked my kids. When I'd have my teeth worked on, I could take all
three of them with me, line 'em up along the wall on the floor, with books,
and they'd sit and watch me getting a tooth filled. My dentist thought they
were cute, he and they would chatter away while he was working on mom. I
didn't have anybody to leave them with, so I had to have children that
behaved, because pretty much anywhere I had to go, they came along. The
little ones accompanied me to school when I volunteered in their sisters
classroom. They came with me to my brownie troop meetings. One method
doesn't work for every kid, and yes, sometimes spankings, or a smack on the
butt, works. JMO.


td


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