Re: Josef Fritzl's cellar lacked oxygen


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-Fritzel's-cellar-lacked-oxygen.html
Josef Fritzl's cellar lacked oxygen
By Tony Paterson in Berlin
The Telegraph
Last Updated: 6:56PM BST 10/05/2008

Police said the cellar was damp and covered in mildew and that as
a
result its inhabitants were now suffering from fungal infections.

They said Elisabeth Fritzl, 42, and her children appear to have
survived entirely on deep frozen foods Fritzl bought at distant
supermarkets to avoid detection and that they are unlikely to have
eaten fresh vegetables.

I read in a German newspaper that Elisabeth has only three teeth
left,
actually
stumps and they are black.
Even though it is expensive, she can get ceramic dental implants,
and
if
she has dental records before her imprisonment, they can do pretty
good
copies of her teeth. The implants are attached to her jawbone, and
I
knew someone's father who got them over the years.. They aren't
false
teeth of the polydent ads..
I think the success of that kind of thing depends on how much the
jawbone itself has receded. You know how many elderly people's mouth
is
sunk way in - it is more than just having their dentures out. The
bone
itself, when it is no longer required to support teeth, begins to
diminish. After a while hooking anything into it, like tooth
implants,
is less likely to be viable.

Elisabeth may have have some bone density problems or most likely
Osteomalacia, but she is young enough to be a good candidate for this
procedure. Ditto for her daughter and her teenage son. If there is
still some problems with her jaw, she can get some bone grafts, or
have
the procedure in a couple years after a proper diet and exercise helps
her physical well being and her bone density.

Basically my point is that there are some medical procedures to help
repair some of the damages to her imprisonment, that she will not be
stared at when she goes shopping or walks around town. I remember
reading when she went to the hospital for the first time, the doctors
thought she looked like a women in her 60s who has been
institutionalized. Some of the physical damage may be irreversible,
but I think she can get her teeth fixed that she can smile again.

I wonder if she would be up to any of this *emotionally*?
She is going to be under heavy medical supervision for some time, and if
having a mouthful of teeth is a good way to battle self esteem. Ditto
she is probably getting a very strict medically supervise diet. (with
some huge doses of Vitamin D to battle her osteomalacia. She is already
wearing some light sensitive glasses, and it is going to take some time
to adapt to semi normal surroundings. She is probably going to go
through some physical therapy as well...

Being tied to
doctors and hospital rooms could be much like being inprisoned in the
cellar
again. On a very minute scale, I can take just so much of some
treatment
thingie, and then I want/need to be free from all intrapments. The
stress
and anxiety of it all become too much.

I agree with what Poe mentioned. It depends upon how much of the
structure
under the teeth is damaged.
It depends, but she probably needs work on her mouth anyway, and with
some work on her gums, etc, she could be a good candidate for the
procedure.

It sounds like it would be an extremely long
and painful process for someone who has already endured a quarter
centruy
of
pain and endurance.
Compare to what she went through, it is not a big deal, and I assume the
dental and medical authorities will be very liberal with pain
management.


I guess I should be a bit more specific. I thought it was just me, but
dental procedures are very often much harder for people with PTSD. This
has been discussed in group therapy more than once. The idea of being
trapped in a chair, laid back, with two or more people hovering very
close, mouth open, totally feeling trapped by the whole situation. I can
take just so much, and then I want everyone away from me.

I'd been having trouble with a particular crown for years. Same problem
Elisabeth will probably have on a much larger scale. The original tooth
the crown is set on had too little *tooth* left to really connect the
crown to. I've had a procedure where the dentist put some sort of peg in
the tooth/jaw to latch the crown onto. Finally, the last time the crown
came off, I'd just HAD IT. I told my dentist to just pull the frickin'
tooth that was left in the jaw and I'd do without. Luckily the tooth is
way in the back of my mouth. And I'd just had all I could take with the
trapped/hovering *feeling*.

Many people in group have voiced the same thing about dental work. It
leaves one feeling too vulnerable, too trapped, to be optimal patients.


td




She could be probably be placed under general anesthesia for such work I
suppose. I suspect she'll end up with dentures, though, for a variety of
reasons including the condition of her underlying jaw, and higher
priorities for her health care. With the bad air and mildew I wonder what
condition everyone's lungs are in.

One thing you mentioned a few posts back that I wanted to comment on - it
sounded like you had a concern about her (and the kids) being in a
hospital for a really long time, and that might be difficult. I suspect if
she does remain in hospital care for months, it will become a kind of
home, and a comfort. She'll get to know the nurses, the doctors, health
care workers may come hang out with her on their breaks, etc. She will
likely become friends, even post-hospitalization, with some of those
people. I think it might be a very gentle and nurturing environment in
which to re-acclimate into the world.


I hope the very very best for Elisabeth and her children. She has been to
hell and back. If anybody deserves a stress free life from now forwards, it
is her.

Were you here for the 'bat cave' discussion a month or so ago? Someone else
posted here about needing their 'bat cave' to recuperate? That's what I
had in mind when I posted that. Most of the people I know who have had a
repressive life of some sort, need to be able to get away. They need a safe
place, free from all or most people. Sort of like recharging ones motor or
battery.

I'm just thinking of all the crap. My heart goes out to Elisabeth and her
children. I don't want them to suffer any more stress or fear in their
lives, ever. I know that's not possible, realistically, but damn, that girl
has had ENOUGH. I know there are times I still need to be able to retreat
to a safe place, and I've got a great life. :(


td




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