Re: OT - Obam--ination

Peter Dworkin wrote:
towanda wrote:
On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, "Bo Raxo" <crimenewscen...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"towanda" <vgnew...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Feb 26, 12:05 pm, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





"Indigo Ace" <indigo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:12:56 -0800, "Bo Raxo"
<crimenewscen...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I was very in to politics at that age. Subscribed to Time magazine from
junior high onward, served on various local committees. Involved heavily
in
my local school board. Belonged to a fine high school organziation
called
Junior Statesmen of America which gave me a great education about
politics.
I am the same age as you are, Bo, give or take a few months. (I can't
remember your birthday, but mine's in May.) Everyone in my crowd was
passionately interested in politics. I wasn't as organized in my
interests as you, but I was a big John Anderson supporter in 1980 &
thought of myself as a Republican until Reagan got the nomination.
I've been Democrat ever since, at least when it comes to the national
level.
--
Anne, indigoace at goodsol period com
I've always been "politically vocal" from the first time I could
vote....when Utah was holding a "liquor by the drink" election.
I voted at my (LDS) next-door neighbor's home....and the
"judges" were looking at everyone's ballots and keeping
a lot. I turned them in.
I also voted for John Anderson, because the alternatives
made me ill. I knew it was only a protest vote, but I had
to vote.
But....if Obama doesn't get the nom, I'm not sure I can
vote for Hillary. Until this last week, I could....but I don't
like the exposed mismanagement in her campaign.
I couldn't vote for McCain, either. I hate the thought of
not voting.
If you can't manage a campaign, how can you manage
a country? Obama, in comparison, has run a brilliant
campaign and shows good management skills.
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yeah, such great management skills he has....like when we were trying
to get a law passed in Illinois to not allow sex shops near
schools...Obama voted 'present' on that one, and said it was because
he thought it would be too much work for law enforcement to enforce
it....such a saviour he will be....I am really missing out on how he
has such great management skills....seriously, you need to really take
a look at his Illinois record, and read up on what people active in
Illinois government and politics really think of him.....and hey,
Kris...I'm still waiting for you to tell me why you assume that I am
white, and a racist given that you do not know what my race is, and
that I have never said or written anything racist....while you're at
it, why don't you see if you can find a way ot defend Obama on his
stance on sex shops near schools...

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Um, you need to look up the word "management". Maybe you don't like his
voting record, his politics, okay.

That's different from what Kris was talking about. Management is about
organization and financial management: he's raised a lot of money, much of
it in smaller chunks from a wider base than his opponents. He's showed a
great on-the-ground organization in most of the contested states. He's done
particularly well in caucuses, which require a great deal of on the ground
organization - keeping track of lots of volunteers, keeping them motivated
and committed, picking the right places to have them call and walk door to
door.

Those are management skills. Not choosing to vote on an adult book store.

And really, who the *** cares if they sell dildos within the vicinity of a
school? What does that do with his ability to steer the economy away from
recession, restore America's reputation around the world, find a way out of
this quagmire of a war, put the smack down on Al Qaeda, reform social
security, reform immigration policy and enforcement? America faces these
huge challenges, and you're worried about his stance on dildoes? Tell me,
how many have died over sex toy sales? How many have been thrown out of
work?

For ***'s sake. I thought the Republicans who were in a lather over gay
marriage and Pedro wanting to pick lettuce for below minimum wage were stuck
on the most irrelevant issues, the silliest contrast to the serious
challenges America is facing. But oh no, you've taken top honors: you've
got your panties in a bunch about selling vibrators in the same neighborhood
where children live. Oh, the horror!

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Bo - there is a whole lot more to Obama's poor record than sex shops
near schools. He is in the back pocket of Commonwealth Edison and
takes quite a bit of money from their lobbyists. Yet, he continues to
rail on about needing to clean up Washington so that there are no so
many politicians taking money from Washington lobbyists....well, I
guess the keyword is Washington...apparently it is okay for him to
take money from Illinois lobbyists. He constantly minimizes his
connections to Rezko. The correct information is out there - and no,
it is not being written by the idiots who attack him because of his
race. It is being written about by reputable Illinois journalists,
but democrats within the state if Illinois who have worked with Obama
and know his true record. Go ahead and think he is a great manager if
you want, I know otherwise. He tells people what they want to hear,
and for whatever reason, the media outside of Illinois refuses to even
report the facts about him. The general public does not even want to
look up his record


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I'd love to look this *** up. Got any cites?


Same here. I'd love to see his voting history pre- and post-contributions, etc.

I don't mind any of the three likely nominees right now, am forming my opinion as we go, so the more information the better.

To me, blatantly labeling anyone who dislikes Obama for president "a racist" is parallel to labeling anyone who dislikes Mrs. Clinton for the same "a misogynist". Towanda has presented an interesting perspective that at least deserves consideration based on the facts (if they are indeed facts), without the knee-jerk reaction that (s)he's a racist.







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