Re: Treatment Leads Molestors From Temptation

Bo Raxo wrote:
On Nov 28, 7:32 pm, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Bo Raxo" <crimenewscen...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Nov 28, 6:37 pm, "nimue" <cup_o_ca...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bo Raxo wrote:

For certain types of molesters treatment
lowers recidivism rates. That's a fact.

It may. It may. And it's not worth the risk. The cost is just
way too high.

You assume that all molesters have committed the most heinous types
of crimes. Typical of the hysteria around this subject. Some
child sex offenders committed crimes like exposing themselves,
inappropriate touching, showing the child pornography.

Now you are trying to double talk your way out of something here.
You know perfectly well these *treatments* aren't meant for somebody
who's *exposed themselves* to a child. The kind of *treatment* you
have been referring to is for serious sexual offenses against
children. We aren't talking the 'you show me your/I'll show you
mine.' Simple *touching*. We are talking about child rapists,
pedophiles, those who sodomize young children. Don't try to change
the subject of this discussion.



Actually, you're wrong. Not surprising, since you don't believe in
such treatment it is no surprise you don't know anything about them.

Google up treatment for non-violent sexual offenses. See how there
are studies about recidivism rates for non-violent sex offenders who
receive treatment, and those who don't.

Who am I kidding, I've posted links to such studies before: you never
read them. You've made up your mind. All else is sophistry.

Still crimes, still worth

putting them in lockup, but not the same risk letting them out as
someone who committed more serious sexual offenses.

So you think these sex offender treatment programs you are
purporting are for flashers??? If you think I buy that, you are
WRONG.


Whether you buy it or not, yes they do order flashers in to
treatment.

I may be mistaken, but I do not think that tiny is saying that treatment
programs are not for flashers -- I think she is expressing shock that you
expect programs that are used for flashers to work for the people who rape
children. Get it?

Non-contact sex offenders are ordered in to treatment, and
no doubt some seek treatment on their own.

But continue to bury your head in the sand.

Actually, that is what you are doing. Why haven't you responded to the very
real issue I have raised? I said that treatment fails -- that there is no
100% successful treatment for any addiction. Given that, do you think it is
safe to gamble that treatment MIGHT work, that a person who rapes children
MIGHT not re-offend, and let that person go free? I don't. Give the
offender treatment in prison, but make sure the offender STAYS in prison.

Pretend that there is no
way therapists can learn how to treat offenders,

They may learn how to, Bo. That doesn't mean that those offenders should
not be in prison.

and eventually
prevent crimes from occurring.

Bo -- they haven't even come close to figuring out how to do that with ANY
addiction or crime. Not even close. A cure may be discovered one day, but
in the meantime, dangerous criminals need to be kept in prison.

You're the one who isn't willing to do
everything we can to protect the child victims:

That would be YOU, Bo. You are willing to let these fuckers out of prison!
Because with treatment, a small percentage of them *might* not re-offend.
Those odds are not good enough for me.

your answer is the
same old witch hunt that hasn't worked and never will.

What about the same old treatment that hasn't worked and never will? Hey --
a treatment that works *might* be discovered. Keeping child rapists (and
other violent criminals) locked up and off the streets protects kids from
THOSE offenders. That's something -- and it offers more than "treatment" at
this stage of the game.

Meanwhile
experts in the field actually do something you say is impossible:


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE0DE143AF930A25752C0A961948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print


Bo, NOTHING in that article showed that the experts are curing sex
offenders. There are no guarantees in that article -- nothing. It just
talks about various fledgling studies. Come on.

Bo Raxo


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