Re: Child Molesters Risk of Reoffending Est. at 13.4%

In our last episode,
<9gocf.18647$td.7473@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
the lovely and talented tiny dancer
broadcast on alt.true-crime:

> "Lars Eighner" <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:slrndn3fn6.c3r.usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

>> There is something about this that just doesn't seem to fit with
>> the classic pedophile models, so far as I can see. And the same
>> seems to me the case with the various
>> child-porn-from-the-internet stings. I don't mean to suggest
>> that I have some kind of clue what it is. The number, the ease
>> with which these guys are turned up, it just doesn't seem to add
>> up with what we know about pre-electronic offenders.


> Couldn't part of it be that before the internet, it wasn't
> quite as easy and annonymous to get their *material*?

> As for the men referenced in the Dateline piece, those who
> actually showed up, were certainly there to have sex with a
> child. Hence *naked man*, and the army guy with the dog
> fetish especially? But the other ones too, the ones who spoke
> on camera, certainly appeared 'ready to go', had discussed
> exactly what it was they *wanted* to happen in this expected
> encounter.

This is what I mean. This isn't the way that I had been led to
believe any of the classical types of pedophiles act. It seems
to me this is something new (for "new" meaning, within the last
ten years). They don't start out in any position of authority,
they don't spend much time establishing authority or trust, they
go right to the discussion of sex, etc. It just doesn't fit
the old models.


>> tiny, childlike bodies. And this stuff flies off the shelves in
>> card shops and stationery stores -- especially around
>> Valentine's Day.

> I guess I'm not familiar with the lines you are referring to.

I couldn't remember enough of it to look it up at 4 am or
whenever I posted. This is called the "Love is" series, and I
don't know the name of the artist. Here is a promo image from
a link from Amazon.com (probably work safe, since in most
offices someone has something from the series on a desk or wall:

<http://content.cafepress.com/si/360706.feature_main062804.jpg>

See? No clothes. Big head. Big eyes. Childlike bodies.
I'm not going to look for an anime porn link since I don't want
that garbage in my cache.

>> Anyway, it seems to me, from the numbers involved, that it must
>> be the case that hardly any of these people will ever be a
>> threat to real children. If they saw it as: going on a pay site
>> to download this stuff is just paying a guy to go out and
>> exploit more chidren to make more of it, I don't think they
>> would do it. But they don't see it that way any more than the
>> music downloader sees what he is doing as depriving the artist's
>> kids of a college education. I don't see much in the way of
>> education efforts in this regard. It serves law enforcement
>> well to pretend that every time they nab a porn downloader they
>> have got Jack the Ripper.


> I just don't see it Lars. I've never viewed kiddie porn, but
> I get the impression from what I read during certain crime
> cases, that the kiddie porn around isn't all that sweet and
> innocent. Like the video introduced in the Danielle Van Dam
> trial where although we didn't view it, we could hear the
> little girl screaming and crying while she was being raped by
> a 50 something man.

Well, that's looking at things from the other end of the
telescope. I'm not at all sure that if you look at the stuff
that known offenders have that it will really be representive of
what the x thousand of people in some reported porn sting were
seeing and downloading. I don't really know what is out there.
When I have had to use Windows, which has been several years ago
now, I have seen occasional spam in newsgroups and email, and I
don't recall any of that suggesting gang rape or anything. I am
just skeptical of the numbers in reports of the stings - or
that the numbers represent people who would really try to have
sex with a real child. That's why I think most of these people
can be educated. You can convince most of them that if you go
to a pay site and download this stuff, you are really paying a
guy to go out and harm more children by making more of this
stuff. I think most of them don't see it that way, and wouldn't
do it if they did.

--
Lars Eighner usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.larseighner.com/
"Shhh! Be vewwy, vewwy quiet! I'm hunting Muswims!"
-- Eunice Fudd
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