Re: Are transsexuals obligated to tell partners? GWEN ARAUJO case


Laurey wrote:
> "vivo per lei" <KA1985@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1123339206.536920.220490@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> >You bring an irrelevant case of
> > paedophilia in which the victims are considered to be too young to
> > consent regardless.
>
> It was not pedophilia; the boys were all teenagers, and I will point out
> again that all the counts of "unlawful sex acts with a minor" were
> dismissed. Hill was convicted on charges UNRELATED to their ages.

"Cincinnati television reporter Stephen Hill, who mentored "at-risk"
children and has served as a licensed foster parent, was taken into
custody Friday, accused of having sexual contact with minors."
http://www.maynardije.org/columns/dickprince/040301_prince/

"Hill to help mentor their children. That makes his actions just seem
more heinous, much akin to the Priest sex scandals."
http://cincinnati.blogspot.com/2004_02_22_cincinnati_archive.html

These offenses occurred during the last several years while Mr. Hill
served as a mentor to several of the youth," said Capt. Demasi.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/02/28/hill_folo.html

He was a MENTOR to the minors he had sex with, therefore he abused his
position of authority which is a crime unrelated to their age.
Furthermore, the kids were all 14 and 15 years of age, which make this
an act of illegal hebephilia.

Good try, failed again!



> > Researhing the story I found this quote: "Hill pleaded guilty earlier
> > this year to four counts of sexual battery FOR MOLESTING four boys."
>
> Yes, and how did he molest them? By pretending to be a biological woman.

As far as I read, he just told the kids he was a woman, he never stated
what kind of a woman he was. Being a woman and having XY chromosomes is
not an oxymoron, and many women out there are not even aware they are
chromosomally male. Do they engage in "rape" too, when they have sex
with unsuspecting males whom would otherwise object to being involved
with a chromosomally male individual?


> > Also, unlike in Gwen's case, there is no reason to believe that this
> > pedophiles had a female sexual identity.
>
> Ah, yes; that would have made it perfectly acceptable in your eyes, wouldn't
> it? I guess having a female sexual identity is a license to rape. (And Hill
> isn't a pedophile.)

OK Hill is not a pedophile, he's an ephebophile. Wow, what big thing
you have discovered!

You keep insisting it is rape, when you have failed to prove it. All
you do is bring some messy cases of illegal ephebophilia in which the
lack of consent is obvious and clear. By law, unlike the criminals in
this trial, kids are not considered to be mature enough to take sexual
responsibility. Furthermore this cases don't even apply to Californa.

The murderers didn't just have sex with Gwen because they thought she
was bio-female, but also because they were attracted to Gwen for
whatever reason. Your pseudo-logic is only plausible as long as we see
Gwen as having two separate sexual indentities, that of a man and that
of woman, and also pretend that she really didn't have the feminine
physical chraracteristics that made the killers attracted to her to
begin with.
Thankfully, for sanity, courts don't recognize as "rape" the "you
fooled me into being sexually attracted to you, reason I consented to
sex" arguments.


> > Your actions are so pathetic. How silly that you feel the need to go
> > through the messages I have posted in other forums in search of
> > something you think you could use against my statements. You took that
> > message completely out of context, and then tried to somehow link it to
> > another.
>
> Come clean and admit you are just hurt and angry that so few people want to
> have sex with TS/TGs and that is why you engage in name-calling and support
> rape by fraud.

LOL. I am neither hurt nor angry by such inane assumption. I just have
no patience for hypocrites such as yourself who feign ignorance and
stupidity in hopes of appealing to popular prejudice towards a very
misunderstood group.

I would also assume "so few people want to have sex with a disabled
person," but does that make the disabled man a "rapist" if he doesn't
share his desability to a sex partner, who may have lost interest had
he/he known the truth? Popular dislike against the characteristics of
some individuals won't change the fact that it is NOT rape. I recall
that no longer than 50 years ago, colored people were as disliked as
transsexuals are today, and a "passable" woman who lied to a
sex-partner about her race would have had to endure the same
accusations you have the audacitity to accuse Gwen of today.
Now why you don't tell us, do you support a rape comviction of a woman
who lied about her race to a man who thought the act of miscegenation
was against his code of conduct? Or a a rape conviction against a
religious man who discovered his wife was not a virgin? If not, explain
the double-standard.



> > Once again I reaffirm those statement: if a man's behavior, or woman's
> > behavior for that matter, changes towards a person as a result of
> > learning of their transsexuality, then the transsexual should let them
> > know aware of how wrong that is. I was not talking about sexual
> > preferences, however, but relationships in general.
>
> Your post was about a man's behavior toward someone to whom he is sexually
> attracted ("approaching you with a romantic
> interest"; "they treat you like a princess when they think you are
> bio-female, but when they are aware of your status they want to treat you
> like crap.")
>
> I'm not advocating treating anyone like crap, but no one is obligated to
> continue flirting, etc. and treating like a princess someone with whom they
> have lost romantic interest. Labeling the ceasing of such behavior as
> "wrong" is what is wrong.

What I said about how transsexuals should behave with men they are NOT
sexually attracted TO BEGIN WITH, has no relevance here. They don't
have to put themselves through all that crap if they are not even
interested to the men puursuing them. Your accusation that my last line
was about men who stop sexually persuing transsexual, is just another
of your illogical assumptions. I doubt many peope are so stupid to
believe what you imply.

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