Re: O.T./Why are children of illegal aliens entitled to an education?


"Cliff and Linda Griffith" <grifftex@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > I'm certainly not against the children of illegal aliens having an
> education
> > here. My point was, why can they get into schools here, yet an american
> > citizen *child* can't? A child born in the states, to american
citizens,
> > should be granted an education, shouldn't they? After all, she is
living
> > with *family*, her grandfather. The only family member she has that
> wanted
> > to take the child into his home and give her a safe, secure place to
live.
> > Regardless of the financial hardship this has placed on him. The child
is
> > FINALLY happy, secure that she has a place to live that isn't *changing*
> on
> > a daily basis. A place where she has 'her things' around her, her
> clothes,
> > her toys, etc. I am totally frustrated watching this situation. I have
> > helped out by buying the child clothes, shoes, pitching in for whatever
> she
> > may need, but I am thoroughly pissed off about this whole damn 'school
> > situation'. I thought a child is REQUIRED to attend school?
> >
> >
> > td
>
> I wonder if there's some information that you're not being given, td. I,
> too, thought a child was required to attend school from age 6 until ~age
17.
> If I were a taxpayer in that state and school district, I'd want to know
why
> the child couldn't attend the public schools. I'm such a busybody that
I'd
> be calling the District to find out, especially if I knew the child and if
I
> were a friend of the family.
>
> Why doesn't the grandfather have custody of the child? Sounds as if he's
> the sole provider and he has the backing of the father. Who *does* have
> custody of the child? The mother?


The father has/had custody of the child. But in order to get
custody/guardianship, they need the mothers signature. the father of the
child is willing to sign over custody, but the mother isn't. She wants a
payment for her signature. A *lump sum* in the thousands, or she says 'she
will take the child back'. The father went to school with them last year
and said 'the child was living with the grandfather.' He had her birth
certificate and other identification, but the school said 'in order for them
to enroll her in this county, they needed paperwork stating the father of
the child lives at the residence' or the grandfather has legal custody. The
father of the child would have to have the utilties at the residence in
*his* name. The father resides in a different county, and has no legal
residence anywhere. He's a deadbeat. But he does want his child to have a
safe, happy place to live, he just doesn't want to have to provide any funds
for it.


Since he's the maternal grandfather,
> can't he get the mother to turn over custody? Can't he sue for it?


He could most likely sue for it, if he had the money for attorneys fees.
But the daughter said 'if he tried that, she'd take the kid back to spite
him and fight him on it.' Mind you, she doesn't want the child, she just
doesn't want to make it easy, or FREE, on anyone. Before grandfather took
the child, she had been left any number of places. She got head lice from
one place that took forever to get rid of. Another place, she called her
grandpa crying, saying 'she didn't want to stay there and please come and
get her.' They, the grandfather and his companion, had gone a number of
times, driven to the other county, to get the child from strangers where she
was left off for the night.


How did
> he get authority to get the child treated at doctors' offices and
hospitals?
> When I was keeping Jenna, and even when I wasn't...but they were living in
> this area, and when I babysat Trey while they were on a cruise, Carmen
left
> a permission slip with me and with the pediatrician, authorizing me to
seek
> medical treatment and to make decisions in their absence. Granted, I
> couldn't enroll them in the school of my choice; but that's because the
kids
> have parents who assume financial and all other responsibilities for them.


The father has signed a paper authorizing them to take medical care of the
child. Apparently he can do that because he has 'legal custody' of the
child. But he can't 'give his custody' to the grandfather, without the
mothers signature. And that is what the school requires to enroll her.


>
> I agree with Indigo Ace and ronniecat that it's in our best interests to
see
> that all children in the US are educated and have a profitable way of
> spending the school-days. I simply can't help but believe that this
> grandfather has some recourse. (I'm assuming that, since the little girl
> attended private Kg last year, she's *old-enough* for First Grade? Dunno;
I
> "think" that sometimes, private schools admit children to pre-K or
> Kindergarten at an earlier age than do public schools.)


No, she is of legal age for kindergarten. The private school didn't require
them to have legal custody papers to enroll her. They are aware of the
situation and even gave the child a 1/2 scholarship to help out with the
financial end of things. The public school keeps insisting they need 'legal
custody' in order to enroll her there. I think it's because many people use
different addresses to enroll their kids in the particular school they want
them to attend in this county. You know, parents will enroll their kids at
the address of other relatives to avoid the busing situation we have here.
But this child has no other relatives in this county. Her parents are both
from a county well south of her, just over the South Carolina state line.
Everything is being held up by the childs mother because she said 'if they
try anything' she will take the child back. If the county won't give her
the child, she says 'she'll make sure she goes into foster care'. Of course
grandfather doesn't want to rock the boat, he's afraid someone will come and
take her away and stick her into foster care with strangers. She's finally
begun to sleep through the night, not be terrified as to where she is and
where she might end up. She is *comfortable* that she has a room, a place
that is *her home*. A place where her *things* are and she know's where she
is staying, with whom, and that she is safe.

It's just such a frustrating situation. They have managed to come up with
funds to pay an attorney, and they are hoping he can get some sort of legal
paperwork together in time for her to get into public school this fall. But
it just seems like such a mess and financial liability for someone already
on a fixed income and trying to get by and give this little girl some
security in her life. She already know's her 'momma doesn't want her'. She
know's her 'momma is living with some guy who has a little boy the same age
as this child'. I mean, she's had enough heartbreak and loss and insecurity
in her short life. Of course no one has talked about any of this in front
of her. She doesn't know that 'if gramps could come up with about 10 grand,
momma would sign those papers in a heartbeat.' :(


td


>
> I don't know about the Carolinas, but in Texas, Kindergarten is not
> mandatory. "Compulsory school attendance begins at age 6." I still think
> there's something the grandpa can do, if the child is between 6 and 17.
>
> Linda



>
> http://www.tea.state.tx.us/curriculum/early/kfaq.html
> This site also answers:
> 3. What documents are considered acceptable for proof of identification
and
> age?
> The documents considered acceptable for proof of identification and age
are:
>
> 1. Birth certificate;
> 2. Passport;
> 3. School ID card, records, or report card;
> 4. Military ID;
> 5. Hospital birth record;
> 6. Adoption records;
> 7. Church baptismal record; or
> 8. Any other legal document that establishes identity.
>
>
> 6. Is kindergarten mandatory? No. Children who are five years of age
> on or before September 1 are not required to attend kindergarten. However,
> on enrollment in kindergarten, a child shall attend school. Compulsory
> school attendance begins at age six. Unless specifically exempted by TEC
> §25.086, a child who is at least six years of age, or who is younger than
> six years of age and has previously been enrolled in first grade, and who
> has not yet reached the child's 18th birthday shall attend school. TEC
> §25.085, (b), (c), page 117
>
>


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