Re: Privy Council v. Council (or Executive Council or "His Majesty in Council")

On Apr 8, 11:52 am, Louis Epstein <l...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Breton <royalistper...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

: On Apr 7, 4:50?pm, CJ Buyers <susuha...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:> On Apr 7, 5:20?pm, "AGw. (Usenet)" <freder...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:> wrote:

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:> > On Apr 6, 5:42?pm, "wm.k...@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <wm.k...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:> > wrote:

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:> > > Would someone mind explaining to me in a word the distinction. Am I
:> > > correct that the latter refers to what today we would call the
:> > > cabinet?
:>
:> > > Also, is there (or was there) a distinction between "the ministry" and
:> > > "the cabinet"?
:>
:> > > (These matters are of vital importance to anyone attempting to
:> > > understand the almost incomprehensible politics of the United Province
:> > > of Canada (1841-1867).)
:>
:> > The meaning and coterminosity (!) of the terms "Privy Council",
:> > "Executive Council", and "Cabinet" depends upon both time and place.
:>
:> > Up until the 1830s, the colonies of British North America typically
:> > had a legislature comprising the (Lieutenant) Governor, a Council
:> > ("His Majesty's Council for the Province of X"), and an elected lower
:> > chamber. ?The Council was made up of members nominated and appointed
:> > by the Crown, and held the additional (executive) function of advising
:> > the Governor; its members also headed the various government
:> > departments.
:>
:> > In the 1830s or so, the legislative and executive functions of the
:> > Council were split between two separate bodies. ?The Legislative
:> > Council continued as the upper chamber of the legislature, while the
:> > Executive Council took over the advisory and executive functions.
:>
:> > During this period, the elected representatives in the provincial
:> > parliament had no active role in the government of the colony.
:>
:> > With the development of "responsible government" from the late 1840s
:> > onward, membership of the Executive Council shifted from Crown
:> > nominees to a ministerial system; in other words, executive government
:> > by civil servants was replaced by that of elected political
:> > representatives, responsible for their conduct (and ultimately their
:> > continuation in office) to their colleagues in the legislature. ?With
:> > this development, we now have a body that functions as a Cabinet.
:>
:> > I'm not sure if the (united) Province of Canada had a "Privy
:> > Council". ?A very small number of British colonies had such a body,
:> > the best-known example being that of Jamaica. ?When the Dominion of
:> > Canada was established in 1867, it also had a Privy Council, which
:> > functioned (and still functions) as the equivalent of an Executive
:> > Council or a Cabinet.
:>
:> > Northern Ireland also had a Privy Council, which theoretically
:> > retained an advisory function, while its ministers met as a Cabinet;
:> > neither body or grouping was known as an Executive Council.
:> > Conversely, Australia has an Executive Council which theoretically
:> > retains an advisory function, but neither it nor the Cabinet are known
:> > as a Privy Council. ?In these systems, the UK setup is mirrored,
:> > whereby the Cabinet is notionally a sort of "working committee" of the
:> > Privy Council.
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:>
:> Not quite.
:>
:> Privy Councils are NOT in Great Britian, Canada, Barbados or Jamaica,
:> nor previously in Northern Ireland and Ireland, the equivalent of an
:> Executive Council or Cabinet.
:>
:> Cabinets and Executive Councils do not include amongst their
:> membership Leaders or members of the opposition, judges, civil
:> servants or other distinguished "elders". They are much smaller bodies
:> and their members have "executive" functions, authority and
:> responsibility.- Hide quoted text -
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:> - Show quoted text -
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: Correct. For information on the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, go
: to:
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Privy_Council_for_Canada
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: This would likely be the body that gives formal consent to the UK in
: the event that they were to change the Succession (since the Cabinet
: sets the actual QPCC agenda, in reality the Cabinet's OK would be
: needed).
:
: Breton

The Accession of Queen Elizabeth II was proclaimed by the Accession
Council,which is a specially augmented body consisting of the entire
Privy Council,the Aldermen of the City of London,the High Commissioners
of the Commonwealth nations,and I think some others...would the Dominions
insist on having their own or is participation in the one in London enough
for future accessions?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_accession_of_Elizabeth_II
for the Canadian process that was used in 1952, which seemed to be
separate from the UK gathering the High Commissioners together in
London.

Breton
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