Re: Lancastrian heir (Was: UK: Phillips Kelly wedding and the Act of Settlement once again)

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT), Graham
<graham.truesdale@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 12 Apr, 14:31, David <ds...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I should add that, from 1066 to 1689, the crown had passed from one
monarch to the next in a number of unorthodox, illegal, or
unconstitutional ways on at least ten different occasions -- the
longest period in which a legal succession has been maintained without
interruption is, in fact, from 1689 to the present.

As a result of these frequent usurpations (or whatever you want to
call them), there are, or might be, several alternate lines along
which royal descent might be traced.  As some of the lines died out,
or merged back into the ruling line, there are not quite ten competing
lines left; but the enterprising reporter might try researching:

(1) The Lancastrian heir, who might be either of Portuguese descent,
or (barring foreigners), in the line of the one-time Dukes of Exeter
descended from John of Gaunt, or

That line seems to pass through Gaunt's daughter Elizabeth
and her son John, 2nd Duke of Exeter to John's daughter
Anne (died 1486) (as John's son Henry died without surviving
issue). Anne (died 1486) married Baron Nevill and their son
Ralph (lived 1456-99) became the 3rd Earl of Westmorland.
Were either Anne or Ralph considered possible Lancastrian
heirs after 1471?
Or were they staunch Yorkists?

The Westmorland line were always Lancastrian, I think. Anne's
husbands, who were both called John Neville, both died in battle on
the Lancastrian side - the first (only son of the 2nd Earl) in 1450,
without issue, and the second, his uncle (cr. Baron Neville 1459) at
Towton in 1461.

Or were they staunch Yorkists? Anne's
husband was a first cousin of Edward IV and Richard III via
their mother Cicely Nevill.
The line would then pass through the 4th, 5th and 6th Earls
of Westmorland - the last of them had only daughters. I'll
leave someone else to comment on where it goes from there.

The 6th Earl was forfeited in 1570, but I don't know why - I don't
recall any mention of a claim to the throne. One of his daughters
married David Ingleby of Riply and had two daughters, one of whom
married Sir Peter Middelton of Stockeld; they are ancestors of the
Haggerstons, Haggerston-Constables and Constable-Maxwells, though I'm
not sure that this is the senior line.


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