Re: Franz Ferdinand & Prinzip

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On 5 août, 20:43, "wm.k...@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <wm.k...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On 4 août, 20:38, "wm.k...@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <wm.k...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 21, 2:41 pm, "AGw. (Usenet)"

<bottomless_...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
wm.k...@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
The book I read implies (and I hardly doubt) that FF was looking
around for situations for his sons. (Sadly, just boys at the time of
the assassinations.) They may have been morganatic-ites, but they
weren't going to become plumbers, either. I wonder if, and to what
extent, this incited suspicion as to uleterior motives in the
statecraft (or future such) of the archduke?

Are you suggesting he was thought to want to set up statelets with his
sons as rulers? I doubt anyone every seriously considered that, the
Austrian monarchy had pursued a policy of an indivisible crown for three
centuries or so by then.

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AGw.
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The suggestion was that he was looking about for sympathetic minor
principalities of which he could make his sons monarch. Italy and
German being unified by this time, perhaps a minor break-away was
contemplated. So I think the suspicion was compatible with the
sanctity of the dual monarchy crown.

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"On 12th June 1914, the German Emporor, accompanied by Grand Admiral
von Tirptiz, visited the Archduke Franz Ferinand and his consort, the
Countess of Hohenberg, at their castle of Konopisht in Bohemia. What
passed between the august visitor and his host must be a matter of
conjecture. Mr. Wickham Steed has, however,given currency to a story -
and few men are in a better positon to unravel the mystery which
surrounds these events - that the object of the Kaiser's visit was to
arrange an inheritance for the two sons of the Duchess of Hohenberg,
and at the same time to pave the way for eventual absorbtion of the
German lands of the house of Habsburg into the German Empire. (1)

"The Archduke Franz Ferdinand was heir to the Dual Monarchy, but his
marriage was morganatic, and his children were portionless. Both he
and his wife were the objects of incessant intrigue alike at Vienna
and at Budapest, where the Archuduke was proufoundly mistrusted by the
dominant German-Magyar oligarchy. Ever since the 'Ausgleich' of 1867,
the Geman and Magyar minority in the Habsburg Empre had, as we have
seen, united against the Slav majority. The Archduke was popularly
crddited with the intention of overthrowing this autocractic dualism
and of substituting for it some form of federalism which should give
to the Slavs and other subject races of the Empire a real voice ...."

"(1) cf "The Pact of Konopisht," by Wickam Steed: "Nineteenth Century
and After", February 1916; but other stories are current."

- Sir J. A. R. Marriott, "Europe and Beyond". London: Methuen, 3d
edition, 1929.

At post 49 (at the time of my posting) David adds to this that the
notion that FF might have had in mind to make one son King of Lombardy
and the other King of Poland.

There are authors who add, such they can sell their little story, in
which some even believe anno Domini MMVII- Hide quoted text -

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Frankly, in retyping that pasage, I was struck by it sounding a tinge
conspiratorial/fantastical too. But what then do you suppose FF (and
the beknighted Countess of Hohenberg) wanted for his their portionless
sons?

The Countess was not beknighted. Cowboys need self-education, and
certainly not start right away with a too difficult question. The
children of FF were not at all portionsless. Keep yourself again busy
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Please look up "beknighted" in the Oxford English Dictionary and tell
me why the adjective does not fairly characterize the situation of the
Countess of Hohenberg.

the word is not in one's Longman! Situation, perhaps you try to
understand her background. Of course - contrary to you - I am in, i.e.
born with information, that have been developped. A brother of one's
great-grandmother was married to a sister of your Countess. (The later
second pcess Th...).

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