Re: 1917 name change
- From: Jan Böhme <jan.bohme@xxxxx>
- Date: 23 May 2007 13:30:20 -0700
On 23 Maj, 16:40, Guy Stair Sainty <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1179899644.325341.27...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, CJ Buyers
says...
On May 23, 5:01 am, Fran=E7ois R. Velde <v...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
The usual crass stupidiy of Velde resounds like a siren beconing ships
to a false harbour. Set up a false claim then proceed to demolish it
with the usual overblown self-righteous satisfaction. Accompanied, of
course, with the childish pretense that he is replying to someone
else.
Nobody here has claimed that a passport issued by country B somehow
changes a name or title in counry A. It isn't the passport that
changes the name or title but the legal procedures in Country B.
The specific claim here is that once a person has been received on his
passport, that is his accepted identity. The passport serves as his
identity document in the receiving country for all official and
unofficial puposes.
If someone in country A is under the belief that the individual in
question is masquerading under a false identity, or is in breach of
its laws, it is up to country A to take some positive action. That is
exactly the same with any supposed false identity document,
irrespective of whether or not the issue concerns an individual
changing his name or title in a foreign land. Until and unless the
state takes some action to invalidate the document, it accepts the
identity of the person on the passport it has accepted.
I think that it is fair to say that "acceptance" is something different from
"recognition". The moment the person is, for example, arrested
and asked to give his name etc, then whatever it says on the passport is
carrying would not absolve him from a charge of perjury if he stated something
other than his real name.
A not uncommon procedure, perfectly legal, is for A, citizen of (say) France, to
go to country B, say Costa Rica, and obtain residence and citizenship. He may
then change his name under Costa Rican law and obtain a new passport in that
name He can then effectively open bank accounts, etc, in that perfectly legal
name. I know of one very well-known businessman who has two separate identities
and names, and indeed 2 entrances to his private office each on different
streets and with different names, the one his legal name in one country, the
other perfectly legal name as recorded by the other.
I would imagine that the same thing applied to foreigners who bought
Scottish feudal baronies pre-2004. They had the right (if I have
understood things correctly) to add the territorial designation of the
barony to their name - in Great Britain. In their native country, they
may or may not have been able to change their name to include the
territorial designation (in Sweden they couldn't, because the creation
of new coompund names was outlawed in the Swedisn name law of 1983))
but if they could, it wouldn't have been in any way dependent on the
territorial designation beign part of the name in Great Britain.
Jan Böhme
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