Re: 1917 name change

On May 22, 10:18 am, "Rico" <hoga...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On May 21, 5:53 pm, Joseph McMillan <mcmillan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 21, 6:17 am, "AGw. (Usenet)"

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A state accepts a passport because it believes that the person
described
therein is the person presenting it.

Usually true in practice, but legally it doesn't even necessarily do
that. Accepting a passport involves no decision by the receiving
state about the name, status, or anything else concerning the bearer.
It is rather a transaction between the receiving state and the issuing
state. The state issuing the passport requests that the bearer be
permitted to enter the receiving state. The receiving state; by
accepting the passport, the receiving state agrees to this request.

Now it is correct to say that possession of a passport constitutes
prima facie evidence that the bearer is who the passport says he is,
and that he is a national of the state issuing the passport (or
otherwise entitled to a passport under the issuing state's laws). But
it is nothing more than prima facie.

It is ludicrous to argue that the action of an immigration officer
stamping a passport at a border control point constitutes a decision
by his government not only as to the identity of the person carrying
the passport but as to his entitlement, under the receiving country's
laws, to any titles or other status appearing in the passport.

The receiving country's authotitiy is free to challenge the bearer, as
they frequently do, or claim something different. But until and unless
they actively do precisely that, the accepted passport identity is the
only legal one he has in the receiving country.

I think you imagine too little by the phrase "passport".

You will find that in the "foreign countries" most people refer to
here (roughly Middle-Western Evropa), one's passport is a lot more
than simply a transit document. It is an identity document, required
for a large number of official puposes and transactions connected with
establishing or proving one's identity. Even in the UK it *may* be
used as such, amongst several other specified documents.

I'm not sure about the UK or other countries that The Queen is the monarch
of, but the Australian passport states that it is granted on behalf of her,
and that the bearer has permission to leave the country of origin
(Australia), that she (or the government) requests that the person be
granted entry, and that the bearer has the right to access legal advice from
the embassy or consulate of Australia, (unless that that person has
citizenship of the country they are in (ie a person born in Britian and
subesquently became an Australian and is in the UK). The recieving country
may deny entry if the bearer has a criminal history, doesn't have a visa if
required or the customs officials believe they are entering the county for
illegal resons.

Our passport also has the effect of being an identity document in that you
may use one as proof of ID when purchasing restriceted items (ie proof of
age for alchol or tobacco purchase), or if you require photo ID and don't
have a drivers licence.- Hide quoted text -

If you are a foreigner and want to use the national archives in most
countries you have to present your passport as ID. I have direct
experience of eleven. This even applies to the National Archives in
Washington DC, USA, a country from which many of its citizens
obviously do not travel out of very much!

.

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