Re: Constantinian Order News
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- Date: 14 Jan 2006 22:48:24 -0800
> "Bryan J. Maloney" <cavaggione@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > Such refusal of recognition is a gross violation of Orthodox doctrine.
> > Nowhere did any priest tell me I could not truly become Orthodox merely
> > because my ancestry was of the wrong country.
> It is different if you are the king, it is not religion, but national pride
> with regards to the head of the state as the head of one's household (in
> this case the nation's), all mixed with politics. Ask ordinary Greeks on the
> street what do they think about Monarchy and 8 out of 10 will tell you that
> they are against the monarchy and that they don't like Constantine nor his
> family. Constantine even visits the country incognito.
Hmm, quite. But everywhere he goes people know who he is as soon as
they see him and he is usually mobbed and applauded wherever he goes.
To the great annoyance of the Greek government. It is they, not the
people, who are so nervous and unsure of the real strength of their
"popular" republic who need to use the air force or navy to buzz and
> And most of those
> opposed to monarchy will tell you that one of the major reasons is that
> Greeks never had Greek on the throne.
Well, that isn't quite the same as saying he wasn't Orthodox, is it?
All it seems to say is that republicans are racist. Something we also
find amongst that crowd here in the UK.
> Glücksburg were never considered real
> Greeks and were never rooted among the ordinary folk, no matter what they
> did and how many generations they lived there.
Depends what you mean by "ordinary folk". If you mean they weren't the
same as fishermen or peasants, you have a point. But I don't suppose
the republican Greek constitution stipulates that only fishermen or
peasants are eliigible for the Presidency either.
> The same goes for Bulgarian
> and Romanian kings and that's why in those countries there is no real
> sentiment for the monarchy now, after the Iron curtain fell etc.
The former King of Bulgaria, who hadn't even been there since a child,
was the elected Prime Minister of the country until very recently. It
flies in the face of everything you have been saying. Even Crown Prince
Alexander, with all his Serbian blood has not achieved that.
> And look
> what happens in Belgrade: Alexander lives there, his estates have been
> restored and the people love him. Why? Because he is a Serb pretending to
> the Serbian throne, because it was his very
> great-great-great-great-grandfather Karageorge who started liberating the
> country from the Ottomans. You have similar example in Montenegro, where the
> current pretender Nicholas is the descendent of the Montenegrin (i.e. one of
> their own) family who ruled the country for 150 years both as theocracy and
> as a secular state. In both of these countries there is a strong monarchical
> sentiment which does not exist even in traces in Bulgaria and Romania, not
> to mention Greeks who, as western democracy and an EU member could restore
> their king anytime, only if they wanted.
Yet that "democracy" is so confident and secure in itself that it has
been found to use undemocratic means and illegal practices to restrict
a supposedly "unpopular" Royal Family. If what you say is really true,
why does the Greek government need to bother? Why does it need to
behave in this way?
> It is not like in Spain or Sweden, for example, where the kings are indeed
> considered Spanish and Swedish, although they are actually French, or in
> Britain, where the present monarch is German-and-who-knows-what-else, or in
> Benelux and Denmark and Norway, where all royals are really pure Germans,
> but they are considered Belgians, Dutch etc. You have to have deeper
> understanding of the Balkans and its mentality in order to comprehend this
> complex issue.
No, the answer is quite simple. There are racists in the Balkans, just
like most places. One suspects from the wording of the above paragraph
that there is more than a pinch of it in you.
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