Re: Some Kudos for Dell


"Leythos" <void@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d653fe3bbbc5950989b67@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> In article
<dNidnZ2dnZ0BoNiFnZ2dnS7uZt-dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> nutcracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
> >
> > >
> > > Your comprehension ability is what's total crap. A user with a
cordless
> > > phone is not going to get their entire identity stolen, not going
to
> > > impact the rest of the Internet community, not going to infect
other
> > > computers, not going to get their IPS black listed, etc....
> > >
> > > If ISP's were to make a simple statement of "Connecting your
computer
> > > directly to the Internet without some form of barrier protection
device,
> > > or a quality soft-firewall is dangerous to your personal
information
> > > safety and may cause your computer/network to become compromised
in less
> > > than 10 minutes" then we would have a LOT of people asking about
> > > securing their systems. If the computers came with the same
warning on
> > > the box in large RED print, it would also help.
> > >
> >
> > I still disagree that its the responsibility of the ISP. Every new
computer
> > made in the last couple years comes with a manual that contains such
> > warnings. But most people dont read the manuals, and thats not the
ISP's
> > fault. A good sales person (of these new systems to first time, or
> > inexperienced buyers) would impart such warnings as well. Whether
the buyer
> > will heed them or not is up to them.
>
> When was the last time you saw a "good" salesperson at BestBuy or
> Circuit City or any other chain store? I've never met one.
>
> I have also never seen a warning document come with ISP service and
not
> with the computers either. They can include a very nice, large, color,
> document on how to connect the cables, they could easily create a
large
> RED/ORANGE document explaining security too.
>
> > I believe the responsibililty falls squarely on the consumer and no
where
> > else.
>
> When the individual consumers impact the other consumers of the shared
> resource it's the responsibility of the ISP to control the problem -
in
> the case of the ISP, if they would just enable NAT as the default in
> their devices, it would eliminate about 90%+ of the common security
> problems that ignorant users cause/experience. If someone knows enough
> to as for a NON-NAT config they are very likely to also know how to
> protect it.
>
> If NAT was the default, things like the Slammer worm would not have
had
> much impact on the Net or users.
>
> --

You must deal with some real *** ISPs then. Every one I have dealt with
has warnings and most even recommend software packages and firewalls to
prevent problems. AOL, Earthlink, Verizon, Road Runner, Logical Net, all
include warnings and most even offer free spam and virus filtering.

However I also think that use of the net falls on the shoulders of the
consumer. Just like it does with every other consumer item out there. It
is not a companies responsibility to protect me from being an idiot.
That is my problem. If I buy internet access and open my system up to
everything that is my choice. Stupid but still my choice. They only have
an obligation to provide the signal to my modem/LAN nothing more.

Just like you speeding down the road, In your world that means that the
car dealer MUST be responsible for that since they sold you the vehicle,
and your actions are threatening to others. So from now on all cars
built will have a governor system that will allow it to go only 20 mph
since that is a safe controllable speed that is usually survivable. Oh
and no more than one cup of coffee or one beer since both contain
chemicals that can cause you to become irrational and attempt to harm
others. No sex since there are innumerable diseases that can kill you
IF you get infected with them.

Basically it is NOT a in a companies pervue to tell me how I can use the
product I bought from them, It is MY responsibility to know how to use
it, when to use it and why. NO ONE ELSES.

--
Steve Williams



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