Re: 99 Days & Scrounging in a Gutter Tonight

Hey, no problem. Just looks to me from your responses to folks' feedback
that you sought more to justify blowing your quit than learn from it.
Nothing morally superior about that. Nothing dour about that. Nothing
12-step about that. A person is either smokefree or not. Everybody has a
choice. If you want to set up the next slip with your current attitude,
that's your choice, too.

Here's a thought; maybe some people who have been down this same path know
more about this than you do? Maybe people who fell victim to the "Just One"
fallacy understand what you don't seem to at this point; that Just One more
often than not leads to Just One More, and eventually Just One More Dead
Smoker. Chances are you'll call this "dour" or sensationalist, but it's
life and death. It's not an experiment. Quit bullshitting yourself that
it's otherwise.

Do you want to be smokefree or "sort of" smokefree? Rather like being
somewhat pregnant or somewhat dead, no? You can talk all you want about the
reactions and look down your nose at as3 (as you have more or less accused
some of doing, setting off more than one Irony Meter, no doubt), but it
doesn't change what happened. Whether you use the experience or repeat it,
again, is up to you.

Once again, your choice. It won't affect others choices.

Continuing to argue with as3 and attempt to justify your position if you
want. Also, your choice.

What're you gonna do?

Lee
VOF

--
Hawaiian trapped in a Minnesotan's body


"Traveller" <traveller007@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:50:12 -0500, "Lee in Duluth MN"
> <houndzhockey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>In view of the responses you've already had (and your responses to those
>>responses), I'm wondering how you *thought* your post was going to be
>>received. Were you looking for approval of your relapse?
>
> No, but I supppose I expected some sophistication on the issues of,
> "Self Identification," "Stigmation," and that oh so dangerous, "Self
> Fufilling Prophecy." There is a branch of thought that is developing
> along the lines that we are what we call ourselves, that we will
> ourselves into being.
>
> Our real difference is that I don't accept the addiction/junkie model,
> at least for myself...you all are free to do as you wish.
>
>
>> That Addictive Voice doesn't want to hear this, but
>>smokefree means 100%. Not 99%. Not 99.9999% 100%.
>
> Is this premise true? It may be even true for most people, but
> certainly not all people. I suppose that in a deffinitional sense,
> 100% means 100%....but need that be true about smooking?
>
> If a person smoked 3 ciggies a year, or was 99% cigarette
> free....would they be a smoker....or Not?
>
> I know that I am going against the traditional 12 step wisdom
> here...but hey, that's what the free flow of ideas is all about.
>>
>
>
> I'd say that hnonorable people can honorably disagree...but I am not
> so sure that's possible here...lol
>
> Seriously, be good, have some fun, but of course don't smoke.
>
> And let us not be so dour, puritian and seemingly morally
> superior...we're all sinners in this little race we call life.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Traveller


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