Re: Another one joins us.

Top posting just cuz... I think many people here (not you) have a reading
comprehension problem.

"Ozlover" <this@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ellen K. <firstinitiallastname@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Right and he HAS diabetes. You'll see where I quoted him in the other
reply.


No, he says he ESTIMATES he has diabetes. HE DID NOT PROVIDE ANY _DATA_
INDICATIVE OF DIABETES.

Of course he didn' say he estimates he has diabetes! No one would be
so silly to say they 'estimate' to have diabetes.

What he *did* write was:

I estimate I have been diabetic for 10-15 years.

I.e. he esimates the *number of years* (of having diabetes).

IMO, that's blatantly evident, but even if you think otherwise or
doubt, read the rest:

First 10 I did not know what was happening to me-started with
neuropathy in my feet. Next 3 years more symptoms: blurred
vision, worse neuropathy now up to knees, trouble sleeping,
urinary flow problems, other autonomic symptoms, kept telling
internist docs I was diabetic, mostly telling me, even
without labs that I am not-cuz I'm not fat and my feet don't
look that bad-idiots, really. During this period one good
internist, no retired, said my pancreas was wearing out and
to avoid pasta and similar. My HgA1c as I recall was 5.6 Next
two years I made my own appt with an endo, one foot in the
grave old and cranky.

"First 10 + "Next 3" + "Next two years" equals ... ding, ding ...
suspense is mounting ... "[10-]15 Years"!

[Rest of posting:]

He prescibed Metformin and I got an
"official" diabetes diagnosis. Labs then showed I had stage 3
kidney disease which this doc missed. The metformin makes me
sick, real sick, even at very low doses where it's not even
helping with glucose. My latest HgA1c is 5.8, so I am getting
worse. The neuropathy is spreading to my hands and my joints
are giving me problems. I had a hard time getting the last
couple doctors to prescribe test strips finally one did and
my numbers from about 6 mos ago showed fasting as high as 109
and two hour as high as 135. With these numbers I am thinking
that my next endo will not honor my request for insulin. I
have thoroughly read all the info on the oral drugs and they
all have serious side effects, most noteably accelerated
heart failure-another disease for which I am at risk. My labs
definitely show I am hyperglycemic and I can even feel the
effect after eating-it's like acid going through my veins,
very scary. I have normal weight, exercise alot, but it's not
enough. I have tried supplements for the neuropathy, they
help but not much. I think I need to go on insulin to save
what's left of my pancreas. If the doctor refuses to presribe
it, what are my alternatives if any? I cannot afford to keep
going to new doctos and there's a shortage of endos and other
docs where I live. I can go to Mexico I suppose to get it,
but I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it. I can no longer
exercise strenuously due to joint problems and there are no
swimming pools nearby-I cannot even ride my bike any more due
to hip problems. I am in my 60's.

How can I convince the next doc to prescribe insulin or how
can I get it on my own. Is it very expensive? If I cannot get
the doc to prescribe it I may have to pay for it out of
pocket. Am I nuts for thinking of doing this? Most of the
times I eat I feel like I'm being eaten alive from the inside
out. I am eating healthy, plenty of veggies and fruits but I
cannot stop eating cuz I cannot get satisfied. At the same
time I am staying at my thin weight, not gaining.

Your thoughts and maybe even answers to my questions?

[End of posting.]

HE DID NOT PROVIDE ANY _DATA_
INDICATIVE OF DIABETES.

His endo apparently thought otherwise:

<quote>
He prescibed Metformin and I got an
"official" diabetes diagnosis.
</quote)

IIRC, in another response, you also dismissed pre-diabetes. 135 and
HbA1c *rising* and 5.8 are definately indicative of pre-diabetes. I.e.
the cause for both must be ruled out, in order to rule out pre-diabetes.

--
Frank Slootweg


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