Re: Bariatric surgery is not a cure (because WE say so!)

kurtwheeling@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Sep 15, 2:50 am, Chris Malcolm <c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ra...@xxxxxxx <ra...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

[snip]

Kurt, your "meta" implications of this thread are being proven by many
of the responses I've seen.
Randy

Hardly surprising for a post which deliberately set out to provoke
antagonise and polarise the "usual suspects", "haters", etc.

I quote the title and first sentence of Kurt's initial post.

"Bariatric surgery is not a cure (because WE say so!)"

"This is a great subject to illustrate how the usual suspects have
fabricated, and want to maintain, sound bytes in a.s.d. that they
believe to be true whether in reality they actually are."

Anyone who sincerely deplored the hostile polarised arguments that go
on here would not have started off like that! Plus choosing as an
illustration one of the more questionable studies of bariatric surgery
curing diabetes -- one which finds that around 15% of their control
group diabetics are cured by the usual normal medical treatment!

--
Chris Malcolm

Actually, this thread was started because of your snarky response in
the "A1c" thread where you weighed in with your usual condescending
conspiracy theory and dismissal of anything "you" don't agree with:

Chris Malcolm: "I'm waiting to see those suggestive results repeated
by diabetologists
who aren't making money from bariatric surgery."

I guess you must have edited off the the smiley and replaced it with a
full stop in your quote above before you actually read it. Otherwise
the smiley might have given you a clue!

This was followed by Susan's dopile on your comment with more of the
same consoiracy theory.

Conspiracy theory? Kurt, how many time have I explained to you that I
do NOT, repeat NOT NOT NOT! argue that any conspiracies are necessary
to explain the finding that financial interests tend to bias research
results? You've obviously forgotten every single one of them.

Of course I'm not denying that conspiracies happen. The occasional
doctors do get convicted. It's just not necessary to explain the well
established biassing of research results by financial interests.

It should also be obvious to anyone who has read half of dozen of
these "bariatric surgery cures diabetes" that the authors do not
employ the same criteria of cure for diabetes as diabetologists.

So yes, I was correct in stating that the
haters want to continue the incorrect idea that diabetes can never be
cured or reversed.

Really?

I'm sure it can't have escaped your notice that the reason I'm trying
to lose weight is to see if getting rid of all visceral adipose tissue
including fatty liver might result in curing my diabetes? Ozgirl's
experience has encouraged me in that idea. So I certainly don't deny
the possibility of cure.

Yet you consider me a hater who can't accept that diabetes could ever
be cured? It's a strange paranoid fantasy world you live in!

--
Chris Malcolm
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