Re: Bariatric surgery is not a cure (because WE say so!)

On Sep 15, 2:50 am, Chris Malcolm <c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ra...@xxxxxxx <ra...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 13, 9:09 pm, kurtwheel...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Sep 13, 4:56 pm, "ra...@xxxxxxx" <ra...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 13, 3:54 pm, "KROM" <k...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

you know very well these surgeries require a extreme change in diet..they
can only consume what amounts to a few bites of food a day and are almost
always told to have just protein shakes for the first month which by default
IS LOW CARB.

After they'v recovered from surgery and adapted they eat the same
amount of food that anyone else eats for their New body weight. (in
some cases just a little less but close to the same). If they ate a
couple bites a day, they die of starvation.

If they eat low carb for a month, so what. They results are for a life
time after they resume eating typical amounts of carbs.

Here's results after 2 years of the more effective form of surgery:

Results:
 1. A1C decreased from 8.2 to 4.1
 2. Weight loss from 136kg to 89kg
 3. Glucose disposal rate increased from 26.4 to 55.2
 4. Most impressive result (IMO)- Insulin secretion increased about
75%
 surpassing the non-diabetics controls. That's beta cell
rejuvnenation
 as far as I'm concerned.

And they are not low carbing.

Point 4 shows their Pancreas is rejuventated - pumping out more
insulin, when needed, than non-diabetic controls.

Clearly this stuff works.

Randy

Thanks Randy. You said it much better...and with details...than I did.

Kurt
Kurt, your "meta" implications of this thread are being proven by many
of the responses I've seen.
Randy

Hardly surprising for a post which deliberately set out to provoke
antagonise and polarise the "usual suspects", "haters", etc.

I quote the title and first sentence of Kurt's initial post.

"Bariatric surgery is not a cure (because WE say so!)"

"This is a great subject to illustrate how the usual suspects have
fabricated, and want to maintain, sound bytes in a.s.d. that they
believe to be true whether in reality they actually are."

Anyone who sincerely deplored the hostile polarised arguments that go
on here would not have started off like that! Plus choosing as an
illustration one of the more questionable studies of bariatric surgery
curing diabetes -- one which finds that around 15% of their control
group diabetics are cured by the usual normal medical treatment!

--
Chris Malcolm

Actually, this thread was started because of your snarky response in
the "A1c" thread where you weighed in with your usual condescending
conspiracy theory and dismissal of anything "you" don't agree with:

Chris Malcolm: "I'm waiting to see those suggestive results repeated
by diabetologists
who aren't making money from bariatric surgery."

This was followed by Susan's dopile on your comment with more of the
same consoiracy theory. So yes, I was correct in stating that the
haters want to continue the incorrect idea that diabetes can never be
cured or reversed. Even though there is a mountain of evidence to
support the fact that diabetes can be cured/reversed in a some obese
T2's who undergo bariatric surgery, you
jumped in with your usual polarizing comment to start the flames. So
before you start, once again, to point your finger at others you
should give yourself the finger. ;-)

Kurt
.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Bariatric surgery is not a cure (because WE say so!)
    ... You presented it in support of Kurt. ... manage our own personal diabetes. ... Which like gastric banding is bariatric surgery. ...
    (alt.support.diabetes)
  • Re: Bariatric surgery is not a cure (because WE say so!)
    ... Kurt never said it or implied it, ... group - may well be a cure for diabetes. ... would ever consider liposuction to be bariatric surgery. ... insulin resistance but increases insulin secretion via the stimulation ...
    (alt.support.diabetes)
  • Re: Bariatric surgery is not a cure (because WE say so!)
    ... manage our own personal diabetes. ... Which like gastric banding is bariatric surgery. ... Now lets look at what Kurt actually said: ...
    (alt.support.diabetes)
  • Re: Bariatric surgery is not a cure (because WE say so!)
    ... manage our own personal diabetes. ... Which like gastric banding is bariatric surgery. ... ose cure" is due to the subjects eating less. ... Now lets look at what Kurt actually said: ...
    (alt.support.diabetes)
  • Re: Do I still have diabetes?
    ... About 6 years ago I had gastric bypass surgery, ... lost 120 lbs., I got off of insulin and now ... This produces large amounts of glp-1 which is the hormone ... Peaks above a certain level are diagnostic of diabetes. ...
    (alt.support.diabetes)