Re: Stephan Guyenet discusses Gary Taubes ....

Chris Wrote:
As they point out in this study, which is about type 2 diabetics, the
results were contrary to expectations. Why? Because there are other
studies with contrary results.

Could you please provide these other studies?

The reason they were surprised is not because other studies have shown
that diabetics gain more weight on equivalent caloreis of carbs vs
protein or fat, its because these subjects(low fat group) were allowed
to eat up to 125% above calorie needs.They self selected not to, ate
less than they burned and lost weight. Btw, this result (low fat/high
carb diets are associated with weight loss) has been establish in
multiple studies with non-diabetics'

Also I see you didn't comment on the three other studies. I assume you
didn't is because the first two used hyperinslemic subjects? Is this
correct?
First of all they might have been diabetics by standard diagnostic
criteria, might be in the full paper. In any case the fact that carbs
didn't have any increased association with weight gain at the same
calorie level weakens, not strengthens your hypothesis (imho).

The third was done on full type 2 diabetics. The abstract is not
available on pub-med. Perhaps you can look it up with your academic
library privledges (I can't). I have not seen the full paper but are
have heard a summary from that did and someone I trust for a accurate
reveiw.

Gerald Reavens, one the most reknown living diabetes reseachesr( he
empirically proved hyperinsulimia in 1960 and introduced the concept
of Metabolic Syndrome in 1988) rails against Taubes after the
publication of GCGC. Taubes interviewed him for the book. Reavens was
furious because he says Taubes butchered his rendition of the
interveiw. He was pissed.
He says the notion of increased insulin causing diabetics to get fat
is wrong. We get fat and then insulin resistant. Insulin resistance
make us more resistant to getting fat from insulin not less. Insulin
resistance, in this view is the bodies defense against the effects of
insulin.

Basically Chris, I haven't seen anything that makes it more reasonable
than not that Taubes theory apply to diabetics but not normal people.

Regards
Randy




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