Re: Kaiser "cholesterol clinic" experience

In article <8vcij4F3m6U1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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In article <8v94tfF5hlU4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Susan <susan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On 3/27/2011 11:43 AM, Alice Faber wrote:


I'm not entirely sure, but, as I read Ellen's original post, I was
thinking that symptoms like that would certainly be enough to get
me to
stop the statin to see if they went away.


Absolutely, even if they don't go away (and statin damage doesn't
always), it could stop progressing.

And there is absolutely no net benefit in a woman over 50, none.

Susan

Certainly there hasn't been any shown by any study. Just nit picking.
;-)

Did that include over 50 diabetic women?

Let me try this another way. The only study that showed any real
benefit was a study that showed that some men over age 65 who'd had at
least one heart attack had some real benefit.

That was the only group who were shown to possibly have any real
benefit. So anyone who was not male, not over 65, or hadn't had at
least one heart attack was not shown to have any benefit.

This is not the same thing as "no-one else gets any benefit." We don't
know. We DO know that it hasn't been shown that anyone other than some
men over 65 who've had at least one heart attack have been shown to have
some benefit.

So, no, it did not include women of any age, diabetic or otherwise,
since women are not included in the group titled "men."

PP


Having diabetes shifts the
parameters to make it a whole new ball game re studies. It may well be
that the diabetic woman over 50 - i.e. after menopause - (after weighing
up the pros and cons) does need a statin. Too little appropriate info.
The decisions should be based on all considerations and I haven't seen
any studies on over 50 diabetic women. With a large slice missing out of
the equation one can't say whether the CVD risks are higher than the
risks of taking a statin.
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm
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