Re: Review of New Taubes Book


"Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Jan 2, 8:50 am, Chris Malcolm <c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
outsider <outsi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 1/1/2011 2:19 PM, Billy wrote:
In article
<8161d103-01b8-4a3c-bbd0-bf60bd753...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Kurt<kurtwheeling1...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"A few things to understand at the outset: First, despite the happy
fact that unlike many in this field, Mr. Taubes is not out to sell you
anything (other than his book),"
lol
"it is still a manifesto.
[...]
Your philosophical criticism of the book does nothing to address its
contents, which you obviously haven't read.
I've found your comments to usually be well on target, but not this
time.

[snip]

<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/28/health/28zuger.html?_r=1&ref=health>
Relying on the underlying NYT article, it is as just as Kurt has stated,
a
manifesto.
"A manifesto is a public declaration of principles and intentions, often
political in nature. However, manifestos relating to religious belief
are
generally referred to as a creed. Manifestos may also be life stance-
related."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto
Let's try not to get into a dictionary war over this.
The NYT article has helped me to make up my mind not to buy a book
that lists at $24.95 just to read the same things that are frequently
preached in this ng. I have no need for any diabetes book other than
the Bernstein I already bought, read, and refer to as a matter of
course.

Bernstein, or "Bernsquack" as he was often called, used to be sneered
at here by some in exactly the same terms as some now sneer at Taubes:
pushing an agenda, trying to sell a book, no proper medical
qualifications, not respected by medical authorities, cites outdated
research, too technical, etc etc.. But a silent conversion seems to
have taken place. Outsider and some others have recently mentioned
Bernstein approvingly in asd without attracting any protest.

Perhaps we just need to wait a while for the protesters to have
actually read Taubes.

I feel it's easy to confuse Bernstein's "back of the book blurb" and
what's actually in the book.

Whoever wrote the back of the book blurb clearly felt that not only
could the book cure diabetes but it would also result in world peace
if you bought it. The insides of the book are a little more moderate
and actually useful.

Still Dr. B says some wacko unachievable things (well maybe not so
wacko in context but still... imagine me with an A1C of 4.2 or
whatever he says it's supposed to be? I don't see it!)

I have personal experience with Mr. Taubes (he wrote an entire ARTICLE
about me and my work in the 90's: Science, 18 Nov 1994 pp. 1157-1158)
and looking back it was clear that he's out to find or maybe create
controversies, not necessarily to find the truth.

---

My A1c was one in the 4's. I can't remember the exact number now. Like 4.3
maybe? Let me tell you, I was hypo city. Angela was a toddler then. I
portioned out candy into little bags and put it in a low cupboard where she
could reach it. Twice I had hypos that were bad enough to make me pass out.
That was no fun. I also couldn't go very many places. A simple trip to the
store required the eating of lunch immediately prior and I couldn't get all
the groceries up the stairs without stopping to eat candy or I'd go hypo.


.

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