Re: Reversing Prediabetes

On 4/5/2010 6:17 AM, Chris Malcolm wrote:
sometimers<sometimers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 4/4/2010 7:02 PM, W. Baker wrote:
sometimers<sometimers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: On 4/4/2010 6:32 AM, Chris Malcolm wrote:

:> sometimers<sometimers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>> On 4/3/2010 7:14 AM, Chris Malcolm wrote:

:>>> He was as savagely anti-intellectual as
:>>> Mao, and for similar reasons. In Pol Pot's case it probably derived
:>>> from the rabidly anti-intellectual Cercle Marxiste and the PCF. In
:>>> Pot's later Phnom Malai declaration of his innocence and ignorance of
:>>> all the killings and torture he claimed with respect to intellectuals
:>>> that the person he'd put in charge of dealing with intellectuals had
:>>> lied to him about what was happening.
:>
:>> Classic leftist totalitarian conduct in every respect. Of course the
:>> US and Great Britain have both used plausible deniability for a
:>> long time.
:>
:> So do you agree that Pol Pot did specifically target intellectuals?

: I never said that. One has t look at the whole picture for the period,
: and it isn't clear that he specifically targeted intellectuals. He was
: ultimately responsible for the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people, but
: whether he specifically targeted intellectuals is not at all clear.

:>>>> Permit me to refer you to newsgroups dedicated to creative writing for
:>>>> all such made up stuff. The far eastern social experiments you're
:>>>> joking about brought about a huge number of unnecessary deaths. Creative
:>>>> utilization of talents would have achieved rather different outcomes.
:>>>> The same might be said of this newsgroup.
:>>>
:>>> It's very easy to check the facts before unleashing your creative
:>>> powers. Satirising the ignorance of others when you've got it wrong
:>>> makes you look silly.
:>
:>> I do wish you could be better when it comes to this. Or, as the high
:>> end trolls are apt to tell you, "Look up your facts before posting
:>> nonsense to usenet."
:>
:> I'm confused now. Are you claiming that I'm mistaken in suggesting
:> that Pol Pot specifically targeted intellectuals, had been a member of
:> the Cercle Marxiste, etc., or is that simply general advice to me to
:> do more checking before posting without specific criticism what I said
:> above about PoL Pot?

: You are mistaken in attributing specifically targeting intellectuals to
: Pol Pot, although it is possible, perhaps even likely, that he did
: so. We simply lack credible evidence that he did so and he denied
: responsibility for it. Usually leaders of his type easily justify, in
: their own minds, all such matters.

: As far as membership in Cercle Marxist is concerned, that's a well
: documented fact, along with his western (French) training in Communist
: ideology and practices.

: "Or, as the high end trolls are apt to tell you, 'Look up your
: facts before posting nonsense to usenet.'" That statement speaks
: for itself and should require no further explanation.

He, certainly, targeted urban folk, apparantly distrustin cities oso he
emptied Pnom Pen adn kiled most everybody.

Wendy

Yes. That much is clear as is a range for the number of dead. To the
extent that intellectuals generally lived in cities, they became part
of the targeted group. There was no need to specifically target them.

Maybe no logical need, but the question is whether they did,
regardless of whether they needed to.

And the issue has no clear answer, only supposition based on a
prior history from Mao.

I got the impression that
outside cities people wearing spectacles were at risk, because that
was enough to suggest you were a book reader. We're not talking about
a sophisticated secret police which investigated people to find out if
they were what a Westerner would call an intellectual. We're talking
about a savage primitive policing by mostly illiterate people.
Spectacles were enough.

Spectacles mean only that the individual needed to see and was able
to afford glasses. Everything else is supposition. Could it be that
glasses meant a city person? Are any of us actually privy to what
was in the heads of a savage primitive police? Do we have any glimmer
of actual information about their daily orders?
.

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