Re: Bacon does not raise BG???


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I've been having pork bacon for breakfast, smoked, sliced and un-
fried as it comes from the store.
6 gr fat/ 2 slices!
This morning, I had 4 slices of bacon, 2-3 slices of wheat bread,
half
tomato and onion.
Before breakfast, 7:30 AM my BG was 104, than I measured my BG
later
at work around 11 am, it was 129 and I was feeling good.
Yesterday I had similar result.
Also, eating pork bacon, I'm not hungry for 5-6 hours and have more
energy!
Why is that?
JS
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12gm of fat is quite a bit especially when most diabetics are the
most
resistant in the morning. The bacon as others have stated is
protein
and fat. A portion of the protein will converted to glucose a few
hours
after you eat it. I've found it can hit even the following day if
I
eat to
large of a steak. As for the fat, that will delay the spike from
whatever
carbs you've eaten. This probably is why your glucose was 129 at
11am instead of back down to where you started. I would bet if you
tested even a few hours later you probably would have seen a small
rise from the protein as it was being converted into glucose. As
for
having more energy, the reason why is protein helps fuel the body
as
does glucose. When you eat this meal again, you might want to test
at various times over a 6hr period (every 30min-1hr) to see where
you peak and just how much of a peak. I would bet you will have
more than one peak.

Steve H.
The glycemic index of all meats, fat and fish and protein is zero,
but,
eventually everything will be turned into sugar. Lipids in general
will
either be stored as fats near fatcells, or they will be converted
into
glycogene in the muscles as a means to store energy when you need
it.
Muscles and glycogene is the first thing to be burned when you start
a
low cal diet, burning fat comes later.

The problem with bacon is simply the saturated fat content, so this
is
bad for LDL and triglycerides. And high levels of all cholesterols
and
triglycerides in your blood will decrease the remaining
functionality of
your pancreas (assuming that it is still somewhat functional) which
is
to produce insulin. The remaining insulin that is made hardly
arrives at
the cells requiring it, the pancreas gets stressed, and the body
starts
dumping the excess glucose via the kidneys which also become
stressed,
and this worsens the problem for diabetic patients. Actually,
stressing
the pancreas and kidneys over time is the way diabetes and high
blood
pressure develop over the years.

For this reason I would not recommend eating a lot of bacon, fish
and
anything that contains a lot of animal fats even if you're healthy.
Maybe if you do a lot of physical hard work like working in the
forests
all day then you could survive on such a diet.

To conclude: don't live according to your glucose meter, consult
your GP
and ask for a professional advise if you think you're diabetic.

Q

If we T2s want to maintain our health, we must eat to our meter. End
of
story. How we eat to that meter is very important in my view. If we
ate
cardboard that would probably look good on the meter.

We know we should not do that. We should not put foods that contain
dangerous chemicals in our body. Common sense.

However, recommending that a person living with T2 go ahead and eat a
"balanced diet" and let the BG levels fall where they may is
recommending a slow painful death.

Michael
In my opinion you are exaggerating the T2 problem. With T2 you don't
need to check yourself with a meter, it is the 3 monthly Hba1c that
counts. Furthermore the fastening blood sugar level should be below
6.5
mmol/l. At least, this is the general practice in the part of the
world
where I live.

Q

Anytime a T2 spikes over 140 (7.7) they are suffering damage. These
spikes lead to those nasty complications. HgbA1c does not necessarily
reflect the spikes. A person can spike over 140--significantly
over--and may also have some lowish numbers, perhaps even a few hypos
and have a perfectly fine A1c--since the A1c is just an average.

So I disagree with your assertion that T2s do not need test--since I
fully plan to live without complications. I'm rather fond of my eyes,
kidneys, and limbs.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2, no meds
Michelle,

I have a colleague who has T2. He absolutely refuses to accept that he
has this disease. I believe there is a range of denial for this illness.
My colleague is at the extreme end of this range. He is in denial
because he is completely unwilling to change. He is going to eat what he
wants until it kills him.

The other range of this spectrum might be people like me who completely
freak out at a 137 reading. I recently went from 93 to 129 when I had
1/4 cup of blueberries. That was the end of all fruit for me for an
indefinite period.

There must be people in between who would like to believe they can have
some carbs, especially ones they particularly like, even if this causes
a serious spike. They may rationalize that it is only the A1C that
counts and not the spikes. This allows them to eat more of what they
want.

So when we have these conversations here, there may be an underlying
layer of denial is some responses and questions.

Clearly you Michelle are not fond of that river in Egypt.

BTW in spite of Kurt's unsupported prejudice against low carb, I think
he is right about bacon. I quit eating it 2 months ago when I realized
what was in it. This was called to my attention by a friend here in
town. I am grateful. Neither my wife or I eat any meat that is not
cooked in a microwave. We are aware of the carcinogens that develop at
the outer layer of the meat where it touches the fry pan. We have
followed this plan for the last 7 years.

Michael

Michael, others,

I'm trying to learn from this discussion. What do you call a postmeal
spike? One hour post meal, 10 minutes sampled, two hours postmeal? This
study:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071216140305.htm

refers to two hour post meal spikes and they are concerned about values
greater than 7.8 mmol/l.

Your 129 is a 7.1 mmol/l which is still fine, even 137, a 7.6 mmol/l, is
still fine, there is no reason to freak out. I think it is rather silly
to cancel blueberries for that reason. Two portions of fruit a day is a
necessity.

Q


Q
I am much more strict with myself than most T2s. I try to maintain a BG
level between 90 and 110. This is a 20 point range. A healthy person would
have an even narrower range.

I am newly diagnosed. My wife was diagnosed in 1998. She refused to accept
that diagnosis for a couple of years. She did not accept it until she got
pretty sick.

She finally responded by eating meat, water, fish, and eggs for almost 6
months. This brought her insulin resistance down. Note I am not talking
about her BG levels. She got very aggressive. All of her illnesses went
away except her partial loss of vision. She was then able to eat very
complex carbs without causing bumps or spikes. Now, she is able to eat
small portions of simple carbs from fruit without a spike. She is able to
eat carrots now without a bump. I cannot do this.

I hope to replicate her success without needing to get desperately sick
first from high levels of BG.

I realize it is illogical to freak out over a reading of 137. However,
living with someone who has been partially blinded by poor diet makes me
very cautious. I value my eyesight. Her example of poor diet is a constant
reminder every time she has to hold on to me in order walk outdoors at
night. She cannot see stars. Her example almost feels like a gun to my
head to behave well when I eat. I obey the gun.

I asked you before but I don't think you responded. What exactly happened
to her eyesight?


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