OT: Re: My nutter list

Marking this OT in deference to those who filter on it...

Màck©® wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:15:40 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
<tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm not forgetting anything and your last comments is simply not the case.
While religion has been a source a human misbehavior over the years, it simply
does not being to approach atheism, tribalism, occultism and so on in sheer
numbers of dead.

believe whatever you have told to believe. it's your right.

Do you belive in God?
No: bang! your dead.
Do you believe in God?
Yes!
Do you believe in my God?
No. Bang! your dead.
No religion has been exempt from this philosphy.


Enjoy your religion.


First of all, I am not defending religion in general or specifically.
I am also not exonerating the various religions for their historic
excesses.

Second of all, this is not a matter of what I believe. It is a matter
of historical fact. For example, the fairly minor war (in the scheme of
things) between the Tutsis and Hutus killed something north of the 1 million
people. Ditto the Camer Rouge. Either of these by themselves likely
exceeds the entire death toll of the Crusades and Inquisition combined.
Certainly any of Stalin, Hitler, or Tojo do so.

Similarly, in today's world the popular belief is that it is religious
extremism that is the primary vector for terrorism. This too is
baloney. The single biggest group of terrorist operating today are the
Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka - atheist Marxists. Another center of such action is
the PPK in Turkey - atheist Marxists. In actual fact, Islamo-Terrorists are a
rather small proportion of that community.

From: http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v31n2/cpr31n2-5.html

"Instead of religion, what nearly 95 percent of all suicide attacks
around the world have in common is a specific secular and strategic
goal: to compel a democratic state to withdraw combat forces from
threatening territory the terrorists continue to view as their
homeland or prize greatly."


Third of all, I am always amused to listen to the howling from the
anti-religious camp whenever they are confronted by facts of history.
It has become an article of "faith" among the atheists and other anti-
religion movements that religion is the problem and that - if we
could just stamp out religion - the violence and evil on the planet
would markedly diminish. This is demonstrable nonsense. The most
evil actions in all of recorded human history have been by powerful
governments and/or tribal systems. More specifically, the most evil
of all have been overtly Marxist or collectivist in their ideation.
In short, I fear an atheist with power far more than I do a religious
person with power - history bears out my fear.
.

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