Re: Carbohydrate counting and diabetes

kurtwheeling1965@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Apr 3, 2:59�pm, Susan <su...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Michael wrote:
Susan,
I just thought I would say hi again. This is Michael, the guy who kinda
freaked out when I discovered I had T2. You told me to be patient and
not expect quick results. I have adopted this attitude toward this disease.
I Have gotten my FBG a little better. It is now about 100. I am shooting
for the 83 mark. It will probably be a long time before I achieve that
goal.
Very impressive results, Michael! �And I'm glad you toned down the
rachorse style of bg control you began with. �:-)



I am still only eating carbs in the form of green leafy very complex
carbohydrates. This diet really produces some weight loss. Not something
I expected to happen. I thought I might lose some weight, but at my last
doctor visit he said I had dropped 22 pounds since I started trying to
lower my FBG.
Lowering carbs lowers fat accumulation, preferentiallhy around the
middle, where it's most dangerous to accumulate fat.



I am sure this is a good thing. Thanks for encouraging me to eat the
leafy greens. They do not cause spikes in me.
That's why we say to eat them. �Even non leafy like broccoli,
cauliflower, spaghetti squash, yellow turnips, pumpkin have lots of
color and fiber and low net carbs. �More variety and antioxidants for
your plate!



I discovered that going on a trip across the country by air and trying
to find my way through airports caused me stress and raised my BG
levels. At least that is what I think caused a sudden increase. I have
recovered from that trip now.
Stress raises the stress hormone cortisol, which directly raises your bg.



I really don't know how many carbs I eat in a day because I don't
measure the leafy greens. They have no effect so I just consider it a
freebee.
YES! �You're a quick study!



I appreciate your help and those of so many others here who share their
experience and knowledge.
Michael, thanks for sharing your good news. �We hear it here time and
again from newbies who are saving their lives by doing just the opposite
of what the ADA recommends, thereby saving their own lives.

Susan

Your constant shots at the ADA are predictable and tedious. Being a
conspiracy theorist you will appreciate this: The stories of someone
being saved by your austere anti-doctor approach are often times very
suspicious and always pop up out of nowhere when the ADA bashing turns
into an argument from one of us who support them.

In Michael's case, he came into this newsgroup spouting some pretty
bizarre ideas. When it was suggested he see a doctor to determine if
he indeed was diabetic he tuned anyone out who suggested it. IIRC he
has yet to be officially diagnosed as a diabetic.

The anti-ADA anti-doctor rhetroic in here is IMO extremely dangerous,
especially for someone who actually has been diagnosed with diabetes.
Learning what is best for us as diabetics is a process that takes
time. It should start with the healthcare professional who has access
to the individual to evaluate them from a medical standpoint and fine
tune itself in time with personal research. The last step should be
the Internet and learning from others about some of the problems and
solutions that they have encountered. Coming here first and having the
heavy hand of strangers with their amateur opinions shape the
foundation on which a diabetic builds their treatment is in a word
"stupid."

Kurt
Kurt, I was diagnosed as "pre-diabetic". This is like being diagnosed as a little bit pregnant. The chances of going on to full blown diabetes after this diagnosis is 15 times those of anyone else.

Yes, I was confused about what I should do. I had some preconceptions that were wrong. I have learned better from this newsgroup.

When I see menus promoted by the ADA that are full of simple or complex carbs, I am aghast. We already know from a study that a reading of over 140 produces cellular damage. Do you think I want cellular damage?

And Susan, I have finally started my treadmill program. It is going well so far. If I can control my BG without any drugs, I intend to do that. I have that magic number of 83 in my head. I would like to see that number for my FBG in the morning. At the rate I am going I expect to be a lot lighter by the time I reach that number. Maybe a year or two from now.

And Kurt again,
My doctor suggests that I eat a balanced diet and exercise. His idea of a balanced diet is plenty of carbs. He does this because he must. He cannot go against normal and accepted treatment or risk losing his license. His plan for me is to just go ahead and progress to full blown T2. At that point he would begin medications and still maintain me on a "balanced" diet. I see this as completely counter to my best interests. I am not buying his plan as long as it is not in my best interest. The medical community in general supports a T2 treatment plan that is in the best interest of the medical industrial complex.

I worked at a medical school for 20 years as a systems engineer. I attended most lectures because it was my job. I saw that "normal and accepted" treatment was in constant flux. Our president told a graduating class that in 15 years 1/4 of what they had been taught will have been proved to be wrong. I am not gong to wait until the medical community suddenly discovers that an extremely low carb diet is a great treatment for T2. I am looking at the results people have here and what results I am getting right now for myself.

I don't understand Kurt, how you could think that weight loss and lower BG levels are bad for me just because they were attained through an extremely low carb diet and exercise. Must I go on to full blown T2 and take drugs to meet your criteria for acceptable treatment?
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