Re: Playing with milk fat

"Trinkwasser" <spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:41:41 +1300, Quentin Grady
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:53:30 +0000, Trinkwasser
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Hi Trink,

Saturated fats tend to raise both HDL and LDL. The argument often
raised against saturated fats in the diet is that they raise LDL
disproportionately ie they raise LDL more than HDL.
You are lucky this doesn't seem to be the case for you.

Those who go on fat reduced diets tend to find both forms are reduced
but the ratio isn't changed very much. For this reason I'm not in
general a supporter of low fat diets. It's true some countries such
as Sri Lanka IIRC have a low fat diet and tend to do OK health wise.
What little fat they do have is coconut which is almost entirely
saturated. For T2 diabetics it is tricky to emulate them as the
proportion of carbohydrate is high.
..
I've seen some sites saying that the medium-chain saturated fatty acids
in coconut tend to be metabolized faster than the long-chain saturated
fatty acids found in most other types of saturated fats and therefore
less likely to be stored as body fat. Unfortunately, a search for
scientific
reports on this turned up little on this except outdated non-working
references to a site maintained by the Phillipine government, which has
a significant financial interest in exporting more coconuts and coconut
products. Have any of you been more successful in finding such
scientific reports?

Also, my web searches have started being less successful since
AT&T started switching from a recommended home page that
they maintained, including a part to ask for Google searches, to
a new recommended home page maintained by Yahoo, which
includes a section for asking for Yahoo searches, but also a strong
tendency to lead to web sites so slow to respond that they hang
your browser, and also the reported side effect of forcing you
to use webmail on a much slower email server instead of using
an email program on any of AT&T's servers. I don't plan to
switch to the new home page, since this switch is irreversible.

Yes I see two major problems with low fat diets, one is that by
reducing fats in general one reduces the good fats along with the bad
ones which may further skew the ratio of Omega 3 to O6, the other is
that for some people (me) the HDL drops far more than the LDL and that
completely buggers the trigs/HDL ratio which is then further buggered
by the replacement carbs producing even more trigs
..
Some of the scientific reports I've seen on this say that low-fat diets
with a significant amount of monounsaturated fats and a significant
amount of fiber work better for weight loss and diabetic control
that the usual low-fat diets. Other scientific reports I've seen say
that low-carb diets also work better for these than the usual
low-fat diets. However, there don't appear to be any scientific
reports yet on combining these two into a low-carb diet with
significant amounts of monounsaturated fats and significant amounts
of fiber, and then trying to see if that's the best of the four diets.

[snip]

Fortunately as with many other things there's considerable research,
only you have to look for it rather than having it served up in
soundbytes by journalists

My position, as it were, is that it is safer for people on moderate
levels of carbohydrate to replace saturated fats with oleic acid, the
monounsaturated fat found in olives, avocados and many nuts. To
restrict omega-6 polyunsaturated fats and to increase both vegetable
and animal (wild fish and game) omega-3 polyunsaturated fats.

I haven't investigated the situation with regard to saturated fats in
ultra low carb diets sufficiently to have any position.
Some people seem to be doing well on them.

Yes I think that's the point, "some" people, I was actually expecting
my ratios to have gotten worse but they got better instead which was
something of a surprise (and a tasty one too!) It'll be June before I
get to find out if this was genuine or just a temporary blip.

Robert Miles



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