Re: Intensive glucose control in patients with poorly controlled type ?2 diabetes had no significant effect

Peter C <peter.corbally@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: On 21 Dec, 05:54, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:53:14 -0800 (PST), Peter C
: > >
: > Please read this section twice:
: >
: > "Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs.
: > Eliminate breads, cereals, rice, beans, any wheat products,
: > potato, corn, fruit... get all your carbs from veggies. Test
: > at the same schedule above."
: >
: > That is the specific "tactical" advice. Nowhere in her
: > advice are medications suggested in any way.

: No it isn't "specific "tactical" advice" about how to handle diabetes
: long term.
: Its a short term experiment to show you what foodstuffs you are
: battling with.
: She doesn't mention medication but because, as I have been pointing
: out to you, she doesn't mention ANY tactics for dealing with the
: results of what her experiment shows. She certainly does not advocate
: low carbing.
: And of course she nowhere even mentions exercise or where it fits into
: diabetic regimes.
: You should re-read this bit here again - there is no single plan,
: "right" way, resulting from her advice.

: > Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing. What
: > confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can
: > get great results on wildly different food plans. ?Some of
: > us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a high
: > complex carbohydrate diet. Others find that anything over 75
: > - 100g of carbs a day is too much. ?Still others are
: > somewhere in between.
: >
: > for us. ?You can use our experiences as jumping off points,
: > but eventually you'll work up a successful plan that is
: > yours alone.

: Again - your interpretation, the lessons you draw from Jennifer's
: advice are no better than anybody eles's.

: > The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater
: > chance we have of avoiding horrible complications. ?The key
: > here is AIM... I know that everyone is at a different point
: > in their disease... and it is progressive. But, if we aim
: > for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the
: > best shot at heath we've got. That's all we can do.

: That's the standard stance of the medical profession, in fact of the
: World and his dog, and has been since testing of any kind and meters
: were invented.

: >
: > You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to
: > control their diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed.
: > After awhile you'll learn that there is no one size fits all
: > around here. ?Take some time to experiment and you'll soon
: > discover the plan that works for you.

: Again the YMMV - there is no "right" path or interpretation of
: Jennifer's Advice.
: Once you have done her experiment and found out what foods cause
: problems to you, the path you choose, the balance of diet/meds and
: exercise you adopt is up to you as a matter of choice. Some choose low
: carbing as result of Jeniifer, some choose "low spike", some choose a
: medication route ( walking up through the quantity and quality of meds
: until they have bgs under control on whatever diet they like ). Medics
: would obviously go down the medication route as a result of knowing
: what Jennifer shows ( in fact that is what they have done for last 90
: years ).
: Jennifer's Advice demonstrates an important fact to T2s ( as I said it
: earlier "empowers" them ) and she suggests a strategy, keeping bgs in
: range, but the Advice does not suggest any tactics on that. What you
: do a to achieve a satisfactory balance of diet,meds and exercise is up
: to the individual.
: >

Jennifer is not giving a total program, including exercise and medication.
It shows you how to find out what YOU can eat when so you can then
continue to eat that way and your numbers will be in order. Everyone will
be on different(or no) meds or exercise at the time they start Jennifer's
program. Knowing what to eat and when is, in many ways , the most
mystifying aspect of diabetes. People often get dietary advice that does
not work for them and their number continue high even with meds and
exercise. This program tells you how to find the dietary program that
works for YOU. What more do you want? doctors control the meds and, if
you are eating most eficiently to control your bgs then the doctor can
adjust your meds to the least necessary to keep you in control. That's
what she is doing and she does it well, helping man diabetics achieve
control.

Wendy
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