Re: Starting Glucophage


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Willy wrote:
"Michelle C" <bookbug...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

You guys are sounding more and more like you're on the Adkins plan
of
eating!!! LOL

My Dr. suggested that I KEEP carbs in my diet including breads
etc...
but you guys almost universally are telling me to drop them to
minimal
levels. My literature says a male should consume on average 30-45G
of
carbs PER MEAL (if desired)... and never more than 75g. Yet I'm
hearing
most of you that are trying to stay in the 10-15g range.

That's because eating more than 10-15 per meal spikes bg. I eat a lot
of
healthy carbs from veggies, no starch. My bg barely moves up at all
after
a meal. If I eat any bread or other starch, it shoots up.

If you refer to the American Diabetes Assoc literature they too
suggest
a
male have up to 45g of carbs in a meal.

That's what happens when all your funding comes from cereal, soda,
candy
and drug manufacturers.

Here's the question. Is 45g of carbs something you feel would be
'ok'
AFTER you get within range, or do most of you find you can never eat
that
quantity of carbs in a given setting?

Never, not as a diabetic.

Use your meter one hour after meals to find your personal carb
tolerance.

Susan

One hour eh? I'll do it, in fact I plan to do a test at 30 minute
intervals
up to 3 hours after a meal to see what really is happening with my
glucose,
and then do it again with a meal that's heavy in carbs, say 45g's and
see
the results.

But of course, I want to wait until I'm within a safe range before I
venture
into a heavy carb meal.

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As you bring your BGs down to within normal limits, you may find you
can increase carbs at lunch or dinner. Even after a year since Dx, I
cannot tolerate carbs for breakfast. Dinner, I can usually eat more
carbs, say 35-45 without going over 120 at 1 or 2 hours.

John C.

So based on your gc responses, I would assume that you would never eat
cereal for breakfast??? No big deal, I'm just curious. In my case, eating
breakfast is a "whole new thing" anyway. That was usually limited to a
weekend event for me, and I find it VERY difficult to eat so early,
however... I'm adjusting.

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That's right, I've found that I cannot eat cereal for breakfast. As a
matter of fact, I don't eat cereal at all anymore.

John C.


I'm anxious to do a LOT of testing to see what triggers me. I think I
need to keep detailed records of what I ate etc...

Any advice about how you went about this, (and how many times you think
you've done the 60/120 tests over the years) would be appreciated.

Willy
Hi Willy,

Absolutely, you must keep detailed records--either in a notebook or on your
computer.

Initially, I tested every meal, everyday at one and two hours--and kept good
records--since I didn't know which foods were doing what. I immediately
found I had to cut potatoes, rice, cooked fruit, bread, fruit juices. Those
are pretty obvious though when you think about it. When I found a breakfast
that worked for me, I ate that everyday--half a turkey burger and green
beans; no bread--so I didn't have to worry about it for awhile. As a base
for other meals, I found that if I ate protein and a green salad, I didn't
get much of a rise at all. After that, I worked from that, always having a
protein and salad, and added another vegetable to test. This is how I found
out cooked carrots cause a spike, but broccoli doesn't. I was methodical.
After I got a handle on which foods seemed to be *safe* for me, I tried them
in different combinations. For example, peas and corn are both on the carby
side. I can eat small servings of both, but found I can't eat them together
at the same meal. Now, as long as I'm eating the various meals that are
okay for me, I test about once per week just to make sure nothing is
changing. Took me several months to get there though, and even now, if I
try something new, I am sure to test.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5



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