Re: Foods that fight belly fat....please don't let this turn into a fight...opinions of the study only

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:46:40 -0700, "DLynch"
<dlynch57nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I posted this article to have a discussion of the study, and not to start
another war on diets. Please do not turn it into a I am right and you are
wrong thing. Do you have anything constructive to say about the study
itself? I would be pleased to hear all opinions, without slamming others
for their opinions.

G'day G'day,

I read and reread your reasons for posting they felt so important.

The point that especially caught my attention was "do you have
anything constructive to say about the study itself?" It is so
easily to unintentionally let ourselves drift off onto familiar paths
that it can take some restraint to stick with the original request.

OK. With regard to the original research notice that the researchers
didn't have a control in the normal sense of the word. Both arms of
the trial were intervention diets ie involved change. Neither arm
were left to carry on with SAD, the standard American diet.

One group had reduced calories and were instructed not to have whole
grains. The other arm also had reduced calories but ate whole grains.
It wasn't surprising that both arms experienced weight loss.
Experience shows this tends to disappear in longer term trials when
people go back to eating their regular food intakes.

One good feature was the naming of the whole grain foods.
IMHO this is a very positive feature of the trial. In the past
researchers have discovered that the general public know about whole
grains at a conceptual level but not at a practical level. So yes,
this was indeed a positive feature that came out of the trial. Those
who are interested in including whole grains might well learn about
some sources of whole grain of which they were previously unaware.

It is fairly well established that processing grains leads to large
losses where vitamins and minerals are concerned. This is greater
than the case for vegetables and fruit. If one is going to have
grains then it is really important to fully understand what is meant
by whole grains. Where glycemic index is concerned whole meal doesn't
do it for instance.

For whom is the research relevant and more importantly valid?
This is not so easy to answer.

It is tempting to say for NON-diabetics with metabolic syndrome since
these were the subjects in the experiment however we can't even be
sure of that. The point is the results were obtained with
non-diabetics with metabolic syndrome who WERE PREPARED TO CUT
BACK ON CALORIES.

Is that last factor important?

The researchers obviously think so or they wouldn't have included the
proviso in their research. Put simply it seems likely the differences
in CRP levels for instance wouldn't appear as marked without the
reduction in calories.

OK, it is possible some other research group has already dealt with
that issue. If so someone can publish the URL.

What about T2 diabetics and T1 diabetics?

Obviously the research doesn't cover them and out of respect for your
wishes I'm not commenting beyond the usual injunction that all
diabetics are wise to measure their blood glucose and learn from the
experience.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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