Re: High HDL may be counterproductive in diabetics

In article <gla7q3hcqnkadgoe56ppjqj16rcqp62l64@xxxxxxx>,
Quentin Grady <quentin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:34:55 -0500, Jefferson
<fwroy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Alan S wrote:
On 28 Jan 2008 15:44:12 GMT, just@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:


"If you're eating low enough carb levels to have low trig levels, is
there any danger at all from fats, even sat fats? - I'm not convinced."

Degree of fat saturation is implicated in metabolic disorder and
diabetes. Some have called diabetes a disorder of fat metabolism. If
one decreases carbs then one would be wise to replace those calories
with fats on the lower saturation end of the scale.


You may be right. You may be wrong. Some independant support
for those comments please.


Alan, this what Quentin has advocated, particularly monounsaturated
fatty acids such as extra virgin olive oil (primarily mono, but other
fatty acids as well). It applies to foods such as avocados. This
probably what "Just" meant.

Frank

G'day G'day Folks,

It is fun to find onesel being quoted. Just wasn't quoting me.

At least I hope he was just presenting his own view. Take particular
note of the suggestion to "replace those calories with fats from the
lower saturation end of the scale."

Now that is something I would NOT advocate.

Frank quotes me correctly in advocating cis monounsaturated fats ie
oleic acid as found in avocado, olives. Western diets currently have
too much omega-6 polyunsaturated fats.

Advocating more omega-6 is IMHO very unwise as they are precursors of
inflammatory processes.

Does that matter?

Well IMHO it does.

Omega-6 polyunsaturated fats will lower cholesterol levels but raise
morbidity. Depends on what your ultimate goal is.

Trying to square this up with Michael Poolan's statement in "Omnivore's
Dilemma", where he states that many predominately meat eating societies
do not suffer from CVD. He attributes this to the fact that they mostly
eat game animals that ate grass as opposed to grain. Pollan states that
even farmed salmon are lower in omega-3 because they are fed with grain
instead of developing on algae (grass). As hunter-gatherers, humans had
a 1:1 ratio of omega-3 to omega-6, whereas these days, modern man has a
1:10 ratio of omega-3 to omega-6. Pollan would seem to be saying that we
need to move away from grains to grasses (leaves), not only for
ourselves but also for our meat animals, if we want to correct the ratio
imbalance.

Finally, purslane, which is considered a weed in many parts of the US,
has the highest omega-3 to omega-6 ration of any other terrestrial plant
and is good in salads or stews.

I'm new here, so I might just be on the steep part of the learning curve.
--

Billy

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