Re: Interesting Results - Taco Bell

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Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 9, 7:55?am, "krom" <thekromremoverem...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
He is king of the strawmen and refuses to answer the real questions asked of
him but instead relies on the "they all pick on me" BS .

You're parroting others and have truly become the King of the Shit
Stirrers.

Kurt, you also skipped right past my post and the question I've now
asked twice. I am not trying to be snarky here. I honestly want to know
your opinion on what I asked vis-a-vis the test, test, test advice.

You mean, Alan "King of the Disagree With Me and I Go Batshit On you"
S.? That Alan?

See, this is where you lose me completely. (To be fair, when Alan makes
his comments about you and Tom I feel the same way.) I just don't see
where this is necessary. And, in this case, I also haven't seen any
evidence of this.

Glad you enjoy the laugh. But contrary to the lies you've bought into
I never give diabetes advice. Ever. What I do is explain that someone
should make their own choices after working with a professional. I'll
never apologize for that.

Nor should you. It's a perfectly valid stance to take. However, do you
realize that when someone else gives advice and you jump on them for it,
you are giving a kind of anti-advice? If someone says "Test, test, test"
and you say, "Don't listen to the amateurs" you are effectively giving
the advice that test, test, test is not the right thing to do. So you
are, in fact, giving advice. Just not as openly or plainly or even
intentionally.

Now here are my words that explain my philosophy. I don't expect you
to really read them but I'm posting it anyway because hey, sometimes
you just got to say WTF:

THE BASE: MY HEALTHCARE TEAM
This includes, first and foremost, my Endo. He is the one who
oversees
my care and whom I trust the most.

I have no problem with this whatsoever. Nor would anyone else here who
has a doctor they feel that way about. The difference is that many
people clearly come here with doctors who are out of touch with current
research and advocate treatments or meter targets which clearly date
from an earlier age. My mother-in-law (type 2) has been told to never
worry unless she's above 200. From everything I have seen, that's
insane. I've been working with her to keep her under 140. She has
nephropathy, reinopathy, and neuropathy and all have been doing much
better of late (the laser surgery for her eyes helped too :)

So, I agree with you but you cannot tell a newbie who comes here having
gotten rotten advice to listen to their doctor. They need one of the
good doctors and then they'll have this foundation.


SECOND LEVEL: MYSELF
Diabetes is a very "high maintenance" disease and I'm the one with
it.
It must be dealt with 24/7 and I'm the one who has to be the one to
do
the actual work. Testing, exercising, eating, sleeping, medication,
and on and on. It never ends. I have the most to gain from proper
treatment and the most to lose from poor treatment. This level is as
important as the first level and certainly mandates the most time.

Complete agreement.

THIRD LEVEL: RESEARCH
Knowledge is power. Thanks to the internet there is now a huge
gateway
to finding out about diabetes. Although I disagree with a lot of
what
I read in this newsgroup, I find it an invaluable tool.

I have no problem with disagreement so long as it is backed up by
something concrete. A lot is coming out now about low-fat actually not
being that good for you and I find it fascinating. I am still waiting to
see where the cards fall on this one but I feel (maybe incorrectly but
this is how I have interpreted your posts in this area) that you just
dismiss these studies and such out of hand and offer only tangentially
related research to counter it. Again, I could be wrong but that's what
I've been seeing to date. I love a good debate. My wife was a debate
coach for years. I had to learn debate it I ever wanted to win a fight
with her (which I never do!) but I appreciate a good argument. Name
calling and passive-aggressive comments to Tom about the others does
nothing for me. Let's talk facts. Leave the name-calling out of it.


FOURTH LEVEL: APPRECIATING MY EFFORTS
Whenever I get down about the constant attention I have to pay to
diabetes I try to keep in mind that all this hard work is worth it.
There is not much I can control about diabetes but I can control my
bg
numbers, my diet, my exercise and going to my many doctor
appointments.
I think we all need to appreciate ourselves being proactive with our
diabetes.

Damn straight!

FIFTH LEVEL: HELPING OTHERS
This level is near the tip of the pyramid for me and some days I wish
it were a larger part. This is not just about helping other people
with diabetes, but helping others with their problems. When I do
this
it makes me feel better and also reminds me that I'm not the only one
suffering in the world. Diabetes is a heavy burden and tends to
consume us at times - helping others is a very good distraction.

Again, complete agreement.

SIXTH LEVEL: FORGETTING ABOUT MY DIABETES
The very tiny tip of the pyramid, but one that is necessary from time
to time. I never ignore diabetes but I do try to forget about it
whenever I can. Some days the testing, exercising, and eating are so
automatic that I forget WHY I'm doing them. It helps me become less
obsessive with my diabetes.

Hear hear!

I hope I am not coming across as belonging to one side or the other. I
really don't buy into that. There isn't an Alan's team and a Kurt's
team. It's just a bunch of us cranky diabetics trying to find the best
way to help newbies out. If we spent more time sharing (like Kurt just
did) and keeping the discussions to the facts and not name-calling, I
think it will go a lot better. Maybe not. I've been on USENET since 1986
so I have NO illusions on that one :) But I can dream, can't I?

-AW
--
Andy
T2 dx 7/2007; D&E, 500mg Metformin 1/day
DX A1C: 13.2%, no new A1C yet, BMI 31 (and dropping)

Argue for your limitations and you get to keep them.
.

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