Re: Fear of Statins

On Sep 5, 12:12?am, Larry <boelk...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 4, 7:30?pm, Susan <Su...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





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Larry wrote:

This thread has gone all over the place and that is fine. I would just
like to emphasize that this group is about diabetes/prediabetes,
drugs, diet, exercise and moral support to improve health. Drug
therapy pertaining to dyslipidemia, hypertension and diabetic
associated hormonal changes are medically relevent discussion and
should not be unfairly condemned contrary to known medical
information. Contributors to this NG should keep in mind that their
greater responsibilty is to the the group as a whole not their own
self-centered agendas perhaps bulstered by select research to prove
their point.

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I'm here as a DM to discuss all the above. The damage caused by chronic
statin use has not been assessed yet, NIH has just begun to look at the
presumed steroid/adrenal inhibition problem which has huge potential for
permanent pituitary damage.

My only agenda here is as a patient and a health consumer. Unlike you,
I have NO personal stake nor financial involvement in the development of
statins.

When you can't make a sound scientific argument, you resort to the
coward's diversion of character assault, evidence that you have none of
any quality.

Susan

Well then Susan.... How can you speak about the dangers of the statins
if as you say "chronic use has not been assessed yet". Sarah very
nicely presented just how safe statins really are in terms of safety
statistics. The only safety issue relates to proper dose. For example
80 mg Zocor has caused a greater problem with muscle damage. Low dose
Zocor is extremely safe. I am retired so out of the business so
certainly have no financial involvement. You have shown me good data
about elevated triglycerides being more important than ldl in reducing
CV events. I assume statins are safe...can you give me some evidence
to the contrary that proves this not to be true? Do you want all
patients to stop taking statins just because YOU don't like this type
of drug therapy?? Its pretty ironic to me that you are so anti-drug
even though you seem to be a full blown DM. Many of us can't do
without drugs in addition to diet and exercise. You come across "smug"
that you can do without just by "taking care of yourself better than
others". In the context what Alan says I am afraid I am not addressing
your need for support.

When it comes to medicine I've learned there are people who are
conspiracy theorists that believe all doctors are bad, all hospitals
are going to kill you, all pharmacy companies are evil, and all health
organizations are on the take. I've also met people who feel exactly
the opposite and put their blind faith in all of the without seeking
out any kind of information on their own.

Most intelligent people fall somewhere between those two groups. When
it comes to taking any medication, over and under the counter, there
is always going to be some kind of risk. I always opt to not take any
medication unless I discuss it thoroughly with my doctor and also have
done some research about it. I wish I didn't have to take insulin,
but without it I would be in big trouble. With pharmaceuticals you
have to weigh the risk against the benefits. Sarah showed that
statins have been around for a while and the very small percentage of
problems is probably worth the risk, given what can happen if one who
needs them doesn't use them.

The good thing about this thread is that someone who is truly
objective can read both sides of the "discussion" and make their own
decision. Of course they should discuss any concerns they can with
their doctor. I do...but I guess I'm just one of those fools who
believes that although I can and should research things on my own,
that he ultimately knows more about the subject than I do.

Thanks for you valued input. It's unfortunate that others try to
discredit you because they disagree with what you have to say and want
so desperately to "win" the argument.

Kurt

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