Re: Nutrition Recommendations and Interventions for Diabetes-2006

In writting with out tone of voice and facial expressions it is hard
to truely understand what the written words mean.

I happen to like you from the posts of yours that I do read.
I have also expressed a fear of not really knowing who I am talking to
and what their intentions are.
my favorite posters are people like Diana and Cheri. while totally
different from each other
to me the represent what groups like this should be all about. The average
diabetic looking to talk to other diabetics get and give support.
some seem to think they are gods gifts to diabetics and frankly i see them
say too many things that are simply not true.
you are neither of the 2 types and yet at the same time you are someplace
inbetween, and that is a very good place.
you simply offer your advice as a take it or leave it way but others offer
it as its this way or the highway.
you are one of the few that always offers me help when i do ask a question.
while i do love Kurts and recently RK's reality checks, i have told Kurt
many times when i disagreed with something he had said even if he was saying
it to someone i do not like.
While i didnt mention you above with Cheri and Diana and I am not to crazy
about this group.
You are my favorite poster.
1-you dont post a million times.
2-you never jump on to a flame thread with mindless insults.
3-you offer help even to those you are not crazy about.
4-you offer what you know as a take it or leave it.
5-even tho you may really dislike a poster and a post they made to you, you
will reply in a mature manner.

that is very rare here.
these are the reasons i think you are the best poster here and if you dont
believe me.
just think how many others here can make claim to the list above.

I will also look past all those things and have no choice but to post the
things i feel are important
for newbies to know about diabetes and the advice they are given.
its kinda like people like Alan and Roger get to make any kind of statement
they want.
it is very much like that softball game i was telling you about. Roger and
Alan, Susan and others get to hit the ball as hard as they want. while i
have to watch how hard i swing the bat or ask my questions.

you're a good person Jen and if i hurt your feelings I do feel bad, but at
the same time i dont really feel bad if someone becomes angry. i wish i
could explain that better.

i just realized something. most of the times when i make my first post to a
thread I am very brief
and go right to the point to save my own time but then have to make multiple
posts explaining my thoughts on that reply. for now on i will not look to
send the post up asap but take my time and fine tune it before posting.

Tom





"Gantlet" <NotSaying@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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i wish i would have seen the rest of this in the begining.
it gave me a chance to explain a little about my intentions.

"Jennifer" <jenniferNOSPAM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I'm not exactly sure why you choose to repeat my weight of six years ago
when asking about the ADA and their recommendations. I have said that
one of the current concerns of most diabetic organizations is
compliancy... to the current recommendations. Therefore if most (by
those organizations opinons) diabetics are not compliant to current
recommendations (and if you choose to include weight loss in that,
fine)... then using non-compliancy as a reason not to recommend lower
carb, doesn't hold water. Other reasons may... but that one does not.

its not if i want to include weight loss - weightloss is what they
include.





I'm with you Sarah... and as a T2, lowered carbs and 1500mg of Metformin
is what's kept me in tight control for the 7 years since dx.



i am glad you have had great control with your numbers. however Sarah
does wiegh far less and her 80 - 90 carbs per day is much different than
your diet.

I'm not exactly sure how you could know what my diet is Tom... aside from
the carb count.
You can check back, as I recall, many times when I
listed what my food choices consisted of on a particular day you
expressed amazement to the point of disbelief at what I said I had eaten.
In most cases you mentioned my weight as the reason. So unless you've
decided I was telling the truth... then you cannot know what my diet
consists of.

true but I was trying to point out that a person 100lbs heavier than
another
is on a different type of diet even if the carb count is the same.
for all i know you could have lost a lot of wieght since the last time we
talked.



i am not picking on you at all just showing that even tho the carb count
might be the same a diet can be totally different.

No... you are not "picking on me". However you have used that phrase in
your posts to me many times... so that it rings a bit hollow. Your
concern seems more to be one of pointing out to others that I am fat...
over and over.

if this was true i would say that every time you post your advice.
and to be honest with you sometimes i want to.
not to long ago a group of friends had an idea for a family softball game.
the team i was playing against had a 9 year old pitcher. it was all in
fun so it didnt matter.
but everyone on my team was afraid to really hit the ball because they
were afraid to hurt the child.
after a couple of at bats we insisted that they change the pitcher.
the same thing goes on here.
i feel funny when i point out things i dont like about your advice because
you are here but everyone else here is free to insult mine and newbies
doctors.



i dont remember ever reading about your exercise. do you do any?

Once again... you've asked me this question often before and commented on
my responses in the past about my exercise. You may google back. I
have said that I walk on the treadmill to Jeopardy approx 3 times a week.
I also walk the dog, but not as much as she'd like.


yes but exercise changes over time. either we become stronger and our
exercise increases,
we are where we want to be and say there, or we stop and become weeker
again.
i was curious to see how your exercise has changed.




Since it is vital that a new diabetic find a way to normalize his glucose
levels, asking them to immediately embark on a weight loss plan may not
be the best choice.

and i think that is the reason that my diabetes has seemed to turn around
while
i watch so many here add new medications year after year as their diabetes
progresses.
and then these same people are the ones that claim low fat means more
medications
when the people in here on low carb high fat diets seem to be the ones on
the most medications.





It's like trying to stop smoking at the same time as losing weight.
Tackle one thing at a time.

for me the 2 go hand in hand. i usually replace smoking with increased
activity.


The good news for new diabetics is that
they CAN normalize their glucose levels before they lose weight... and as
a bonus it is likely in the process that their weight will drop as well.
Albeit very very slowly. Perhaps over five or six years. But that's how
it went on isn't it? And that's how it worked for me.

so then wouldnt my asking about your weight be a great chance to explain
how much weight you lost?
i would think it should be something you are proud of.
then again it was very possible that you gained some weight back since we
last talked
about it.. i had and still have no way of knowing.



As for that opinion.. I know that many will not agree with me, and that's
absolutely fine. I have not posted or voiced my thoughts on that subject
for at least five or six years. The only time it gets printed here is
when you bring it up.

The advice I do give, which I know you do not agree with... is about
finding your own path to glucose control.

this is also what i disagree with. the advice you give i feel can only
lead to 1 path
and that is low carb. and its not even that i am against a newbie
wanting to try low carb but i think
they should know.
i will explain why i think it can only lead to low carb.
but that will have to be done in another post.



> I have always treated you with respect Tom... and I ask that you do the
same.

asking about how you are doing on a plan that you recommend to every
newbie
that comes in here is not a sign of disrespect.
even if i totally disagree with it.


I'm sorry, but I do not believe that you have posted from a honest concern
as you state. I believe that your goal is to discredit my oft posted
advice.


i believe i do not have the credit to discredit you by my questions.
i had no idea what the answers were going to be.
but yes i did believe you are still very heavy.


I'm not sure there is much you could say to change my mind about your
intent. It comes up too often.

you might want to look at how others in here talk about the advice they
disagree with.
should i be afraid to say what i dont like just because the creator of the
advice posts here?
and who i also think might as well be a very good person.



I will continue to treat you with respect Tom, and I will continue to
post my advice.

Jennifer

i do hold back many times on how much i dislike that advice to newbies. i
feel funny about that
because i dont really reply to people i reply to posts. I like Kurt and
often have told him when i disagree with him.
and i am sorry that i feel so strongly that some people actualy get paid
to work from home and spam certain products. how is it that so many
people agree so much with each other on things that no leading diabetes
organization would think is good advice. low carb is no secret its been
out for a very long time.
most of my anger these days is not so much as the insults i get but mostly
because i feel i am fighting with sales people. spammers are a live and
well in usenet. one time i went and asked a question about
dreamweaver and was told by someone in Microsoft that i should buy front
page.
if Microsoft has spammers here i am sure, Atkins, Bernstein and all the
rest also do to.
but they must first chop down the giants and that is why I feel the ADA
gets bashed so much.
so for the most part most of the time i feel i am talking to someone who
may very well be a spammer.

Tom



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