Re: Nutrition Recommendations and Interventions for Diabetes-2006

Tom...

You have not addressed why you said in four posts that I did not answer your questions, when I have clearly proved that I did.



Gantlet wrote:

Jen if you were able to answer with.

"i am at a healthy weight"

you would have loved my questions.

I didn't say I didn't love your questions.

I answered them all.

You have said I must have been sensitive to them.

Nothing I posted indicated that. This is another tactic. Posting what you believe I feel as fact.





Tom:

You asked: "i believe part or most of their concern is with diabetics remaining obese.
that said... how many type 2's here are compliant on the diet they have
chosen?"



Jen:

I now answer: No one can know that for sure. We can only accept what people here self report.



being as heavy as you are do you consider yourself compliant on your diet?
because being complaint in the context used when you spoke with Sarah, weight loss was a concern.

No. You added the weight loss concern. It was not in my original response to Sarah.


But the fact that non-compliancy in the real world is a problem is written about all the time in many articles and research studies about T2 diabetes. And that would mean T2s using all different plans... current recommendations, lowered carb... etc. To my knowledge there has not been a study that shows the breakdown of how many real world diabetics are following which plans and which plans have better compliancy.


and so many people here sware they know what most are doing or can do.


That was not your question. You are adding assumptions to my answer.



You asked: "when i first came here i believe you were over 300lbs and told me many others here were.
do you feel they are being compliant in the way the ADA is talking about? "

I answered: "I'm not exactly sure why you choose to repeat my weight of six years ago


actually i do believe the post you made 6 years ago, 2 years before i came mentioned
that you lost a lot of weight and was down to either 320 or 340 i forget which.

This is incorrect. You questioned me approx 12 - 18 months ago about this very issue. You are quite capable of Googling, if this is still of interest to you, you can look it up.


when asking about the ADA and their recommendations. I

have said that one of the current concerns of most diabetic organizations is compliancy... to the current recommendations. Therefore if most (by those organizations opinons) diabetics are not compliant to current recommendations (and if you choose to include weight loss in that, fine)


not only I but most doctors.


... then using non-compliancy as a reason not

to recommend lower carb, doesn't hold water. Other reasons may... but that one does not. "


they are also concerned with other health issuses.

Yes. That is what the phrase "other reasons may... but this one does not" means. Those are the "other reasons".



You asked: "i dont remember ever reading about your exercise. do you do any? "

I answered: "Once again... you've asked me this question often before and commented on my responses in the past about my exercise. You may google back. I have said that I walk on the treadmill to Jeopardy approx 3 times a week. I also walk the dog, but not as much as she'd like. "


these are things i would ask anyone and have even gottin into details about rogers acitivity levels.
that was a long time ago and was wondering how it is going now.
have you worked you way up to jogging or still walking?
have you advanced to a faster level?
do you do cardio or just walk slowly?


If I thought for a single minute that this was a sincere request of interest into the details of my exercise program I would continue this discusssion. For now you will have to live with the answer that I am still exercising as I said.

BTW... where is the apology for stating many times in various posts that I did not answer any of your questions, when it is clear that I answered them all.


You asked: "when i first came here you told me that a diabetic over 300lbs doesnt have to have wight loss as a goal. and that many diabetics in this group are over 300lbs. do you still feel that diabetics over 300lbs dont have to have wieght loss as a goal."

I answered:
"The post that you refer to is one I made approximately six years ago.

I do still believe that in the beginning a newly diagnosed person with a lifetime history of weight issues doesn't need to use weight loss as a goal... that it may even be counterproductive at the start.


that wasnt so hard.

No. It wasn't.

It was the response I gave you in the first place. The response you said I did not make.

I answered all your questions, despite the fact that you repeatedly said I did not. A fact that you have yet to rectify.



Since it is vital that a new diabetic find a way to normalize his glucose levels, asking them to immediately embark on a weight loss plan may not be the best choice.



i think that is sooo wrong. i am willing to bet others here do also
but some how feel your advice is above questioning.

Not at all. Clearly you didn't read the part that I said "many will not agree with me".


It's like trying to stop smoking at the same time as losing weight. Tackle one thing at a time. The good news for new diabetics is that they CAN normalize their glucose levels before they lose weight.



very true, just as i did.



.. and

as a bonus it is likely in the process that their weight will drop as well. Albeit very very slowly. Perhaps over five or six years. But that's how it went on isn't it? And that's how it worked for me.


im so used to everyone in here talking about how much faster it is to lose weight
while on low carb.



As for that opinion.. I know that many will not agree with me, and that's absolutely fine. I have not posted or voiced my thoughts on that subject for at least five or six years. The only time it gets printed here is when you bring it up. "


it was actually almost 4 years ago.

Which does not mitigate the fact that the only time it is printed here is when you bring it up.


Which is not true... I answered all the questions you asked. The information I was sending you to look for was not in answer to a question you asked... it was in response to your multiple repetitions of my weight from when you first got here.


i think i talked about it 3 times in 4 years.
must less than my weight is brought up here.

I have never brought up your weight until today... so you are saying that you are using me to get back at those who have bothered you about your weight.


Truly Tom... I do not believe your posts to me come from a place of trying to understand my thoughts and opinions.


Well i dont like your advice and how people here hand it out as if the newbies
doctor is nuts if they dont agree with it.

And that is the entire crux of your "concern" with my weight... my exercise... my food plan.

The nutshell itself.

You don't like the fact that other people have felt my advice is helpful and valid and pass it along.

This makes it crystal clear that all of this has not come from a place of genunine interest in my thoughts and opinions... it has been your way of trying to discredit me and therefore my advice.

> if you can see that i dont like your advice and you can see when i was
> trying to be polite
> about it there is nothing i can do about it. while this thread wasnt really
> about your advise
> you should realize it is not above questioning just as the ADA isnt.

This was not about questioning my advice... which I have never said is not above questioning... it was about discrediting the advisor. You were not trying to be polite, you were trying to point out that I was fat. That was the entire goal of each and every "polite" question.

I have never in my posts to you been anything but forthright.

You have lost my respect Tom.

I cannot see any reason to have more discussions with you, since you are not coming from a place of honest discourse.

I am truly done Tom. Tell the world I'm fat. Tell them not to read my advice.

But don't tell them I didn't answer all your questions.

Jennifer

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