Re: ADA and Harvard cite recent type 2 epidemic in announcing new DM management guidelines

Alan S wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:04:20 -0400, W.M.McKee
<wmmckee@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:53:18 +1000, Alan S
<loralweightandcarbs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:




I know I shouldn't bother. You seemed to be a rational nice
bloke once. You seem to have become bitter in my absence.


In many respects, the ADA is very wise and supportive of
Type 1 programmes and a wide range of diabetes research.
But, specifically in the field of type 2 post-prandial
testing and associated diet and nutrition - enormous fools
mis-directing the money they raise for T2 research towards
teaching T2 diabetics to eat "heart-healthy" (supposedly)
instead of "T2 diabetes-healthy".


Hi Alan,

There are PRIGS among us...., and the priggishness is most pronounced
where the ADA is concerned, I submit.

Will, T2

Hi Will

Language is an interesting topic. I saw your earlier
reference to prigs. Out/down here we define a prig more as a
"toffee-nosed twit". The sort of wowser who is stuck up,
assumes superiority and is full of themselves. Kurt would
apply that definition to me:-)

No, not me. I'd never use words like "prigs" or "toffee-nosed twit",
I'll leave that to Will and You and of course, Charles Dickens.

I would prefer to be Kurt's friend, if he could agree to
steer clear of type 2 diet and testing fields that he knows
absolutely nothing about.

It's a deal, but in return you'd have to steer clear of bashing the
ADA, the entire medical profession, and giving diabetes advice to
newbies based on your own limited and biased knowledge.

I wouldn't define Tom as a prig. He's just an ignorant
oafish twit.

Translation: He disagrees with Alan.

I sincerely feel sorry for him - but I refuse
to let his silly nonsense appear unrefuted as legitimate
type 2c advice.

That's kind of how you look at anyone who doesn't buy your way of
thinking, isn't it Alan? In that regard I feel sorry for you. Do you
handle your diabetes so well, are you in such good shape, are you med
free that you can set yourself up as the standard by which all Type 2's
should be measured?

Kurt is more complex. The advice he has received as a type 1
from the ADA has obviously worked for him

I don't receive "advice" from the ADA, Alan. How obtuse can you be?
You continually make these sweeping statements about what I think or
how I feel and just about always they are wrong. Knowing that, you
should then understand why I don't respect much of what you say. I
support the ADA because of what they stand for and the work they do on
behalf of all diabetics. Their website is a big blueprint that offers
suggestions and advice to those who come looking, but it is not
specific in any definition of the word. It advises people to work with
a professional medical team to determine ones individual needs. It is
not a medical center, but a reference tool with general information.

so he has a faith
in the quality of their advice which he fails to understand
is not shared by the type 2's among our posters.

The quality of their advice does not come from a poster, but from the
medical community. You have faith in the advice of a group of
screennames, a few of whom you've met. The collective sharing of the
Type2's, and 1's in here, could fit into the navel of a gnat when it
comes to the complexities of diabetes. You seem to believe that this
very minute and eclectic group of posters is a) representative of the
average diabetic and b) knows more than the entire medical profession.


However, he
has become unwillingly allied with Tom as a result of his
increasing isolation from others here.

You and Will should open up a Medical/Psychiatry Center somewhere. I
hate to burst your bubble Dr. Alan, but I don't feel isolated from
anyone here, nor do I have the pressing need like you seem to have to
go along to get along. In that regard you've always come off as very
needy of being accepted and quite pliable when it comes to changing
your diabetes opinions to fit the "popular thinking" of a few.

I don't "ally" myself with anyone. I agree with much of what Tom has
to say. Just because he doesn't write in a warm and fuzzy way, or want
to be in with the in crowd, I don't dismiss the wisdom of his words.
He is a Type 2 and is dealing well with his diabetes. No doubt the
real reason you despise him so much is that he disagrees with the
advice you try to push on others.

Possibly Kurt may
profit from reviewing the post I made a while ago titled
"Sins of the past".

Holy Mother of God, you're now quoting yourself.

It was just another one of your trolling posts that raked up the muck
of the past and selectivley ignored the mean spirited attack one of
your kindred spirits made against Tom when he first came in here and
didn't tow the company line. That was so Alan of you.

Kurt

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