Re: Not yet diagnosed - on the borderline

On 4 Apr 2006 18:27:18 -0700, "systemswamper"
<abhogac516@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

I am almost 46 years old, I weigh about 179 pounds fully clothed.
Mealtimes: Breakfast is generally 1 or 2 toast, and/or a boiled egg
(about 4-6 eggs per week, maximum). Lunch is usually a large salad
with french dressing 2 times a week, or a tuna sandwich, or, a smoked
meat sandwich. I usually drink about 2-3 mugs of sugarless tea a day.
I rarely drin juice,but I eat about 5-8 bananas per week as well as the
same number of oranges.

Supper: Usually 1 to 2 indian bread with curried vegetables, or dal,
chinese noodles stir-fry with lots of veggies and chicken breasts, fish
at least once a week, etc. When I have a relapse, I eat 2 donuts a
week without icing (classic donuts) etc.......

Today, I had chinese noodel stir fry. At 1 hour post meal, I hit 8.3
mmol per litre. 2 hours later, I dropped to 5.4 mmol per litre.

I am confused by something ... the web site
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045621.php

talks about the 7.8 mmol per litre target 2 hours after meals, but the
web site

http://alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

talks about this target 1 hour after meals. What am I missing here -
is one for non-diabetics and the other for diabetics ?

Thanks again for your kind help.

Glad to see you read them. And it's excellent to see good
questions coming as a result.

Answering the last question first. 7.8(140) in the
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045621.php link is based
on data from scientists who, for some inexplicable reason,
rarely test at one hour but only at two.

The advice in
http://alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm is based
on experience by past posters here as well as other
references - hopefully the author may answer that herself.

My own take is that whether it is at one hour or two is
irrelevant - just try not to exceed it at any time. That's
why, after a period of learning, instead of testing at one
or two hours you will test at the time you have discovered
when your post-meal peak occurs.

Of course that is a goal, not a mandatory threshold. If you
do go over that, don't panic but use the experience to learn
why and try not to repeat it.

Now, back to your menu. Little things that you might check
on once you start testing.

"Breakfast is generally 1 or 2 toast, and/or a boiled egg
(about 4-6 eggs per week, maximum)."
Eggs - no problem. However - many of us have problems with
carbs at breakfast. I doubt that you'll still be eating two
pieces of toast after you start testing. I don't even eat
one. To compensate for the loss of calories (if you need to)
add sauteed veges - onions, mushrooms, capsicum etc or meat
or fish as fillers to an omelette or as a side.

"Lunch is usually a large salad with french dressing 2 times
a week, or a tuna sandwich, or, a smoked meat sandwich."
Again, no problem with the filling. However - the bread and
rolls are a possible difficulty; similarly, the level of
sugars in your brand of french dressing may need
investigation. My lunch sandwiches are double filling, open
no one slice of multigrain. Eat them carefully:-)

"I rarely drink juice,but I eat about 5-8 bananas per week
as well as the same number of oranges."

I haven't eaten bananas, oranges or drunk juice since I
started testing - except to treat hypos.

I do eat fruit, in small portions (usually halves) as snacks
between meals. By testing I have found when, and in what
portion size, I can eat them. Apples, pears, stone fruits
etc or small portions of berries. If in doubt, berries are
better.

"Today, I had chinese noodel stir fry. At 1 hour post meal,
I hit 8.3mmol per litre. 2 hours later, I dropped to 5.4
mmol per litre."

No surprises there. For US readers 8.3 is 150mg/dl, 5.4 is
just under 100. You also demonstrated why the one-hour test
is a far better indicator for us than the two-hour.

It was almost certainly the noodles, not the ingredients
unless there was sugar or cornflour/starch in the sauce.
Hopefully, you didn't have rice with them.

When I eat noodles or pasta these days, I double the
vege/meat/sauce component and halve the noodles/pasta.

Congratulations - nice to meet a newby who is prepared to
try testing and analysis of the results from day 1. You'll
be back here in six months teaching newbies yourself:-)

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 2x500mg

I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.
Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.

Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
.

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