Re: McDonalds again




"John38" <dev-null@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:22:01 -0700, Chris J <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

OK, Then, I'm wondering how much we actually disagree on?

Although, this is, after all, usenet, so therefor we cannot let
agreement stand in the way of a good argument. :-) :-) :-)

LOL! :)

The issues I had centred primarily around eating out, and that even an
honest answer may be an incorrect one. I find your reliance upon
certainty
with respect to allergens, when eating out, unreasonable.

This is why I think we may (please correct me if I'm wrong) be on
different tangents here, as I don't recall every wanting certainty,
merely honesty, and reasonable care if they claim to be taking
reasonable care. Demanding perfection would IMHO be preposterous on my
part.

Yeah, I think we were, slightly. :)

You've shown yourself in your particular context to be reasonable.
You took action because you were lied to.

However, the answer to the question "does X meal contain Y allergen"
can only be answered honestly with simple primary foods. I think you
won your case because the manager said he would check the food, and
he didn't, rather than whether the food contained seafood or not.

The general gist of the post that I responded to, seemed, to me,
to suggest the responsibility for disclosure of microquantities
of allergen to rest with the restauranteur. This struck me as
unfair and impractical. With complex foods, the only answer can
be "I don't know", so it is hardly worth asking the question.
Even more so in the case of severe allergies.

The hot button issue for me was/is the notion that the food industry is
somehow broken because it cannot say precisely what is in food,
particularly food prepared in a restaurant, at the microallergen level.

It isn't broken. The hyperallergenic person *is* "broken". And it is up
to them to "fix".

We went to a restaurant that is wheat free. We knew at least that would be
one less worry. There, we were sold some brownies. We told the owner what
my daughter's allergies were and she assured me they contained nothing she
was allergic to. Later, she got sick. But we couldn't figure out why.

We went back another time to buy more brownies since my daughter liked them.
This time it wasn't the owner who waited on us, but some guy who was very
rushed. He told me to go grab my own out of the freezer. The freezer case
had a label listing the ingredients. And there on the list was eggs! Eggs
had been mentioned repeatedly the first time I bought the brownies. The
menu had listed some chicken strips that said "egg free". I had tried to
order these for my daughter but the owner said she couldn't have them
because the cook screwed up and put eggs in them. She wound up getting a
hamburger and the owner said they would put it on some egg free bread. And
when I asked about their desserts, eggs had been mentioned again. The owner
assured me the brownies contained no eggs.

My daughter kept insisting on going back to this restaurant because she
thought the food was safe for her to eat. However in subsequent trips we
had bad service and so many screw ups on our orders it was comical! Now all
of the adults refuse to ever go back there because we can't trust them.

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