Re: My fasting blood sugar levels.

kurt, don't waste your time with susan. she's got a lot of issues not
the least of which is having a personality disorder. when confronted
with anything she disagrees with she turns into a posting wikpedia.
she becomes the unaposter of cites most of which have very little to do
with the issue. it's like one of those squids that when in fear squirt
ink out their *** to create a cloud of confusion.

in this case I get what you are saying......people who are overweight
or who have eating disorders don't just eat when they're hungry they
eat when they're stressed, pissed, happy, bored, etc. susan goes on
this rant about what triggers hunger which is not what you are talking
about. I used to be overweight myself, not obese but pretty damn
pudgy. I lost it all and am now at the correct weight for my height
and in the best shape I've been in for years. thanks mostly to
changing what I eat and sticking to a pretty rigid exercise plan, which
I have grown to crave like I used to crave donuts! lol but when I was
fat I rarely ever ate when i was "hungry' because I never was without
food long enough to be hungry.

I love your posts kurt because you don't try to be a know it all and
speak from the heart. and you do post cites when you need to. but
susan......well she's let's just say that she is not on my must read
list in this newsgroup. and that's the nicest thing I can say about
her. lol

Sally

Kurt wrote:
> Susan wrote:
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > Kurt wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I suppose you can find studies that "suggest" this, but cannot prove
> > > it. From someone who lost a good deal of weight and has kept it off
> > > for many years I can tell you that carbs have very little to do with
> > > it.
> >
> > No, Jurt, studies have regularly demonstrated this, in peds and in
> > adults. That's why all the conventional authorities are started to
> > hammer home more about choosing less starch and more leafy/fibrous
> > carbs. Your anecdote is not evidence of anything, plus you're type 1,
> > so your experience isn't relevent to the thread we're in.
>
> Well, I think my experience is relevant since I was addressing the part
> of your "theory" that carbs lead to hunger lead to weight problems. I
> was extremely overweight before I became diabetic. Hunger is not the
> only reason people overeat, as a matter of fact with someone who is
> obese it is seldom the case.
>
> > More importantly, most obese people do not eat because of hunger,
> > > but for many many other reasons. I believe it has much more to do with
> > > mental concerns rather than food choices and being hungry.
> >
> > Your beliefs don't mean much to me, as compared to the biomedical
> > literature based upon studies using the scientific method.
>
> Well, my beliefs, and many of the obese or former obese people I know,
> mean more to me than someone who does a "study" of a controlled group
> where I have no idea about how they handle the many variables. If I
> did a little digging then I could probably drag up studies that show
> what is pretty much common knowledge for most - obese people don't only
> over eat when they are hungry. You want to know the truth, go straight
> to the source.
>
> > I'm a Type
> > > 1 and eat more carbs now than I did before. Fortunately I changed my
> > > diet towards healthier and whole foods. The bulk of my diet is whole
> > > grains and vegetables, including the starchy ones. I do eat some
> > > protein and my diet tends to pretty much fit in with the current (God
> > > in heaven forbid) ADA food pyramid. Being a "former fatty" I have met
> > > a number of people, and have become close friends with several of them,
> > > who also once had a battle with weight. To the person, they all agree
> > > that hunger was never the problem since they, like me, ate whether they
> > > were hungry or not.
> >
> > No kidding! That's exactly the point I was making; studies demonstrate
> > that folks on high GL diets feel hungrier sooner, even after eating more
> > than low GL eaters.
>
> Huh? Again, your point differs from mine: Hunger has very little to do
> with overeating.
>
> > > I'm not a scientist, nor a doctor, nor even a dietician. So my
> > > thoughts on this are as pedestrian as they come. However, when
> > > discussing weight, temptation, will power, and what causes hunger, I
> > > would have to call myself an "expert." :)
> >
> > Yes, I've noticed that all the evidence you provide is your beliefs,
> > very light on any good biomedical citations.
>
> And I noticed that when disagreeing with someone you resort to this
> sort of condescending remark. I stand by my opinion based on my own
> personal experience and those of others I know who now suffer, or have
> suffered, from chronic overeating. It ain't about hunger, it ain't
> about carbs. Even though it's pretty much common knowledge and I feel
> like I have to support my supposition that the Earth is round (or at
> least oval shaped) here are a few cites that discuss the
> "psychological" factor of why people overeat:
>
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/overeating.html
>
> "Depression is one hypothesis for why people become binge eaters. But
> no one is really sure if depression comes first and leads to binge
> eating or vice versa. It is more common for people with the disorder to
> behave impulsively and have other emotional problems, however. And many
> report being angry, sad, bored or worried -- all of which sufferers say
> can cause them to binge eat."
>
> http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/o/obesity/causes.htm
>
> "Psychological factors may also influence eating habits. Many people
> eat in response to negative emotions such as boredom, sadness, or
> anger."
>
> http://www.eating-disorder.com/
> "Compulsive eaters feel incapable of controlling how much or how often
> they eat. They may feel unable to stop eating, eat very fast, eat when
> they're not hungry, eat when they're only alone, or eat nearly non-stop
> throughout the day."
>
> Best,
> Kurt

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