Re: First day of testing


VBHol wrote:
> >>Not directly. However it is proven that a lower A1c reduces the
> >>incidence of complications.
> >
> >
> > not really proven but all indications are that it does.
>
> The difference being?

difference? I said it has not been proven that's all. however I
believe it to be true but it has not been proven. kinda like the
smoking thing used to be they were pretty sure smoking caused problems
but it took years to prove that theorty.

> > well there are other ways to lower bg and a1c without lowering the carb
> > intake. the main way is exercise. I guess if someone ate a big meal
> > and sat in their easy chair all night that might cause the old meter to
> > shoot up in numbers. but eating a sensible nutritionial meal and doing
> > some activity for many can stabilize the bg. one does not have to
> > starve themselves to achieve good control.
>
> Some of us have jobs. You may have the luxury of being able to exercise
> after every one of your suggested 4-5 meals a day (from other thread)
> but most of us don't.

not saying you have to exercise after every meal but there are options
to taking a nap in a chair. a good workout has an affect on the body
throughout the day. building muscle does the same.

> I never recommended starving. I don't believe anyone else did either.
> Don't put words in the mouths of others. Reduction of carbs does not
> mean the reduction of food. See reference to starches below.

who said I said you said or anyone else said. read what I said. lol

> >>Its a simplified equation but it holds and is easier for newbies to get
> >>a handle on.
> >
> >
> > it is simple but it doesn't tell the whole picture. a doctor or
> > dietician who knows the patient and what they need in particular is the
> > first and best place for the newbie to go.
> >
> Anyone who comes here without seeing a doctor is generally told very
> loudly to do so, but be cautious about the advice they are given.

and I'm saying be very cautious about the advice given here. i think
this is a great watering hole for diabetics to talk about their
diabetes and offer support but there is way too much doctoring going on
in here. and if someone has received good things from following the
ADA advice they are met with a mob scene from the low carb advocates.

> Taking all of your information from a single source is a very dangerous
> thing, as the BBC will be happy to tell you. (lo Beav!)

dpends on what the source is. for me my sources of info come from my
endo, my dietician, my retinologist, my foot doctor, my dentist, the
ADA and from what I gleen from the Internet. so no single source for
me.

> > again it's not all about carbs, it's about exercise and how each of our
> > own bodies deals with the disease known as diabetes. it's just way too
> > simplified and wrong to say it's all about carbs. some can manage with
> > diet and exercise, others need supplemental medications, and some will
> > open up a can of drastic and inadvisable means to manage their bg
> > numbers without knowing what it is doing to the rest of their body.
> >
> So what do you recommend for a starting point then? A fixed diet of
> what you consider to be "healthy" to be stuck to no matter what - even
> if it is not working?

no....and don't put words in the mouth of my posts. lol. what i
recommend for a starting point is what I always recommend. see your
doctor and better yet an endo, a dietician and give the ADA site a good
read. but just like candy don't take medical advice from strangers.


The carb reduction advice is a very general
> guideline and keeps things simple for people who may have to make a
> massive lifestyle change.
>
> You're also ignoring the context. The person to whom Jenny made the
> suggestion has posted meal samples and although these seem to fit with
> the "healthy" diet approach favoured by some traditionalists and
> exercisising, still has high BGs. Some other change is required and
> Jenny has SUGGESTED that he try it.

jenny??? don't get me started don't even get me started. jenny is a
conspiracy theorist who I would tell any newbie to steer clear of. she
has a chip on her shoulder about doctors and the ADA. unless you're
tlaking about jennifer...in which case I think she's cool plus.

> The only one obsessed with carbs in this thread is you as far as I can see.

then clean your glasses. lol.

> I notice that the advice for 30 carbs or less was given by Jenny who, as
> is well known by anyone who reads this NG, advises people to use their
> meter effectively to monitor the effects that food combinations have on
> their BG. It is generally regarded as a positive contribution as are
> all of Jenny's posts. They are positive and constructive.

there's that jenny name again. gggrrrrrrr!

> Yours on the other hand are almost entirely negative.

anyone in this newsgroup who supports the ADA and is not a fan of low
carb is viewed as negative. however I will give you that I don't do
enough support of others when it comes to their successes. I could do
more of that.

>What exactly are
> you contributing here?

if you want medical advice from me you won't get it. if that's what
you measure contributions by then I will tell you nothing.

>What do YOU suggest that Paul does to improve
> his BG numbers? Accept that high BGs are ok unless told otherwise by
> his doctor?

to read everything but not base his medical needs on the conflicting
and heavy handed advice he gets here. to question his doctor and if he
doesn't receive answers then to seek out another doctor. to go to the
ADA site or Joslin or any other bona fide professional diabetes sites
and read what they have to say. to listen to my alternate view and
discard it if he wants but at least see another side of the story.

> A lot of the advice given by the traditionalists tends to be along the
> lines of "Don't do this". Advice from the likes of Jenny is always in
> terms of "Try this and see if it works for you"

stop it with the jenny will ya. lol. jenny shouldn't be telling
anyone to "try this". she's not a doctor. neither am I. neither are
you.

> Advice from yourself appears to me to be along the lines of "THEY'RE ALL
> LOONIES! DON'T LISTEN TO EM!"

there you go putting more words in my mouth the very thing you accused
me of. hmmmm? I don't think people here are loonies but some border
on it. listening is fine. but when the "this works for me" turns into
"if you don't do this you're a moron" then it becomes a problem.

> Everyone has to find their own approach to managing DM dependent on
> their body and their lifestyle. What works for the individual is the
> important thing.

exactly! I agree with that 100%. you can even put those words in my
mouth because I'd love to say them. lol

Sally

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