My longest winded post to date - SUBJECT: OBESITY VS DM
- From: David <David@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:03:09 -0700
According to a couple of posters here, diabetes causes obesity. If that's the case, it should be impossible to lose weight, once you are deemed a diabetic.
I, on the other hand, having a firm grip on reality, know that if you are obese, you have a mucho higher chance than the general population to develop diabetes (she argues the point). Further more, as countless zillions of bits of information have been printed on the matter, if a T2 strives to lose weight, watch what they eat, and exercise, they MAY manage to get off of all meds and live a healthy life (by maintaining a HEALTHY LIFESTYLE) with a low A1c. If they fall off the wagon, they most likely will be back on meds and/or their A1c will elevate. That's just the way it is, folks. I'm astounded that anyone would argue that diabetes CAUSES obesity. Take one T2 person who is obese, and have them follow a healthy lifestyle as mentioned above: if they are no longer running high bg's or A1c's they are STILL a diabetic, but the DIABETES DOES NOT MAKE THEM REMAIN OBESE. REMAINING OBESE IS A MATTER OF CHOICE AND KNOWLEDGE. IT IS NOT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION.
You people who keep arguing this point are so far out in left field that I'm really in awe at your faulty perception of cause and effect. My conclusion is that you have personal issues that can't deal with the facts that obese people put themselves at risk of DM. If a person ALWAYS MAINTAINED A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE FROM INFANCY, and they developed DM, that's a WHOLE 'NUTHER BALLGAME. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IF YOU AREN'T OBESE YOU CAN'T BECOME DIABETIC. WHAT I SAYING IS THAT STUDIES SHOW THAT IF YOU ARE OBESE YOUR CHANCES RISE DRAMATICALLY.
I could myself become obese IF I WAS AN IDIOT (as some of YOU are wrongly convinced) and stopped being active, and ate all the goodies I wanted and increased my portions. I like snacks like the next person, and it's an every day struggle to stop thinking about snacking. I guarantee that I could hit 300 lbs if I wanted to let myself go.
Several unnamed posters have accused me of BLAMING people for their obesity related diabetes. I tried earlier to refute that claim, and instead re-iterate that I was trying to recount the FACT that IF a person gains weight, then any propensity to develop DM will be intensified. I never said that all obese people will be diabetic. I said that their CHANCES increase.
Another issue here on this forum is that many readers don't really READ posts thoroughly enough to digest the intent of the writer. They bring their preconceived notions to the reading (or should I say SKIMMING) of the post.
In conclusion, I expect none of those in opposition to my statements to change their minds in the slightest. I'm not naive enough to expect to make a dent in the confusion rampant in this news group.
So...the only suggestion I will make is that if you are overweight, TRY to do something about it. If you've already tried 10,000 times and failed, try a few more times, or lay down and give up. The choice is yours. Your doctors have told you time and time again to lose weight (if they are worth their salt) because they know how important it is. Or you can use your energies to bitch to me about what a horrible and stupid person I am (oh, yeah, and "arrogant" too, according to Evelyn or one of those who have been arguing with me) for daring to suggest that losing excess weight is a good and practical goal for DM's.
I'm no different than anyone else, except that I understand the consequences of my actions. Many of you would rather whine about your predicament than do something constructive about it. The easy route for you is to vilify the messenger. Enjoy yourself. YOU DON'T REALLY HURT ME BY NOT TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF. And I'm not going to have my day ruined by posters like Mack who can't put together a coherent argument instead of a person attack, so he no longer exists for me. I also won't have my day ruined by anyone who responds with personal attacks. I'll consider the source(s) and chuckle at your various infantile behaviors.
It's funny that someone last night suggested that I be KF'd because of my views when others here ROUTINELY attack the person rather than discuss the topic with anything remotely approaching logic, common sense, and FACT.
I think I'll go eat now...
Dave .
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