Re: While at the Doc today, I got a copy of a diet from the no-show dietician...



"Chris J." <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:40:22 GMT, "Thomas Muffaletto"
> <mrgantlet911@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
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>>
>>"Chris J." <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> While I was at the Doc today, I mentioned that I'd been to a
>>> dietician, promised a consultation, but only been offered a copy of a
>>> diet for the $20 once I arrived. The Doc thought that was bad, and
>>> happened to have a copy that she was able to find and give me. I
>>> thought I'd post some of it here. Neither the Doc nor I thought much
>>> of it. I'll just post Day #1
>>>
>>chris i have to be honest i always kinda thought you would go low carb -
>>not
>>that its bad
>
> The reason I and my doc disliked the diet mentioned was that it made
> no differentiation between white and whole wheat flour (there are
> major differences). We also both thought that it was absurdly lacking
> in information; just two sample daily menus, for instance.


i dont like that diet either - but i showed how i would change it to make it
more like mine.
i wont do the 3 big meals a day thing never - it is not recommened for non
diabetics and I sure
as poop wont do it as a diabetic.
3 meals 2 snacks of 45 carbs works great for me.


> I do read and reply to your posts, and enjoy "talking" with you. I
> try and read every post on this NG, and appreciate them all. I do miss
> a few inadvertently, and also due to my server missing a few (I
> sometimes see people replying to posts where I've never seen the
> original).

cool - i just felt at this point it wasnt doing you anygood and wanted to
explain.
i enjoy talking to you as well but what does bother me is when i see you
reading
information that just isnt true - take alans reply about my post - show it
to any dietitian
low carb or low fat - his reply is just very misleading <-- you dont have to
answer that one
i dont want to put you in any bad light here - but I am right.
>
> Also, propagation time varies. Once, I posted something here and
> literally within minutes I had a reply from Alan in Australia. Other
> times posts don't show up for a day.
>
>>> 2000 Calorie Diabetic Menu;
>>>
>>> Breakfast;
>>> 2 breads or starches
>>> 1 milk, or nonfat yogurt.
>>> 1 ounce meat or protein, or one egg. Do not eat more than three eggs
>>> each week.
>>> 1 fruit, like 1/2 large banana.
>>> 1 fat, like 1 tsp margarine.
>>
>>that is pretty much like a breakfast i seen on the handout.
>>
>>for me as little as i can move around now - only 1 starch and i prefer
>>bran.
>>i prefer 1 table spoon of diet margarine over 1 tsp regular.
>
>>> Snack
>>> 1 bread or starch like 6 saltine crackers.
>>> 1 ounce meat or protein, like 2 Tbsp peanut butter.
>>
>>or whole grain rye crackers
>>but not meat - fruit.
>
> That would be my choice, too. But, for later, not now. I am avoiding
> fruit until I can get my BG's down and stabilized, and then I'd need
> to test each one.

i had to rush one of my dogs to the hospital yesterday and was very tired
when i wrote last night.
i would break those 3 meals into 5 and not pay too much attention to cutting
the protien and fats for a while.
if it helped me control the diet better.


> I've been having a handful (12) of raw peanuts (unsalted) and one
> whole grain tortilla chip. It seemed to help my FBG last night, so I'm
> trying it again tonight.

I think even the low carbers here would agree that perhaps almonds are much
better.
but hey if i want peanuts I will eat them - just dont take advice from Sally
on what nuts to eat
she might talk you into buying one of her squirles.

> That's why I wanted a real consultation before starting anything; It
> seems rather a bad idea to start off a diet by eating the wrong things
> (the wrong fats, or the wrong flour, for example).

i understand totally - but not everyone has the will power to jump in head
first like i did
and like you did. most t2's like myself have a love a fair with food and
its - well everyone needs
different treatment. if i was your dietitian - i would have taken that hand
out and made the changes with you
about the better choices and hell no way 60carbs per meal.


> Hmmm? I don't quite follow. How do you get 30 carbs from 2 servings of
> veggies?

usully servings on the exhange diet are 15 carbs per serving.
you had 2 servings of startches - that is what appeard to confuse Allen
and 2 servings of veggies- yes there are more complex ways to explain it but
most people would understand what they said.

> Ok, until today I was eating steamed low carb veggies for over 80% of
> my food. Probably 90%. It's not that high anymore, but here are some
> numbers from that;
>
> A serving (1 cup) would have between 4 and 5 carbs (depending on the
> mix of veg), but 2 from fiber which gets subtracted. So, let's say
> three carbs net.
> As it was the majority or the entirety of my meal, I'd have more than
> one cup, maybe a cup and a half, depending on which meal.
> So, let's assume six servings a day. That's 18 net carbs daily from
> veg, if I'm figuring this right.

on my diet its about 45 net carbs from veggies such as carrots and brocolli.


well keep up the good work and thanks for letting me post my opinions on
your post
PEACEFULLY :).
--
Tom
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