Re: To use a nutritionist, or not?

is there anything else we can compare it to realistically not analy.

what is there that is bad for a unhealthy body part but healthy for a
healthy body part as far
as food or anything we drink, eat or smoke.

if those that are right that say high protein diets are only bad for people
with bad kidney's
I can kind of picture someone saying that smoking is only bad if you have
bad lungs.
that is a bad example and I am trying to think of a good 1.



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"Jennifer" <jenniferNOSPAM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> From the ADA website...
>
> They do mention protein intake taxing the kidneys... but only in the
> "Treatment for Kidney Disease" section and it says: "Protein seems to
> increase how hard the kidneys must work." Not that studies have proven or
> even studies have shown...
>
> It does say the factors that can influence kidney disease include: Factors
> that can influence kidney disease development include genetics, blood
> sugar control, and blood pressure. But nothing about excess protein
> intake.
>
>
> Kidney Disease
>
> Kidneys are remarkable organs. Inside them are millions of tiny blood
> vessels that act as filters. Their job is to remove waste products from
> the blood.
>
> Sometimes this filtering system breaks down. Diabetes can damage the
> kidneys and cause them to fail. Failing kidneys lose their ability to
> filter out waste products, resulting in kidney disease.
> Why diabetes can cause kidney disease
>
>
> When our bodies digest the protein we eat, the process creates waste
> products. In the kidneys, millions of tiny blood vessels (capillaries)
> with even tinier holes in them act as filters. As blood flows through the
> blood vessels, small molecules such as waste products squeeze through the
> holes. These waste products become part of the urine. Useful substances,
> such as protein and red blood cells, are too big to pass through the holes
> in the filter and stay in the blood.
>
> Diabetes can damage this system. High levels of blood sugar make the
> kidneys filter too much blood. All this extra work is hard on the filters.
> After many years, they start to leak. Useful protein is lost in the urine.
> Having small amounts of protein in the urine is called microalbuminuria.
> When kidney disease is diagnosed early, (during microalbuminuria), several
> treatments may keep kidney disease from getting worse. Having larger
> amounts is called macroalbuminuria. When kidney disease is caught later
> (during macroalbuminuria), end-stage renal disease, or ESRD, usually
> follows.
>
> In time, the stress of overwork causes the kidneys to lose their filtering
> ability. Waste products then start to build up in the blood.
>
> Finally, the kidneys fail. This failure, ESRD, is very serious. A person
> with ESRD needs to have a kidney transplant or to have the blood filtered
> by machine (dialysis).
> Who gets kidney disease?
>
>
> Not everyone with diabetes develops kidney disease. Factors that can
> influence kidney disease development include genetics, blood sugar
> control, and blood pressure.
>
> The better a person keeps diabetes and blood pressure under control, the
> lower the chance of getting kidney disease.
> Symptoms and diagnosis of kidney disease
>
>
> The kidneys work hard to make up for the failing capillaries so kidney
> disease produces no symptoms until almost all function is gone. Also, the
> symptoms of kidney disease are not specific. The first symptom of kidney
> disease is often fluid buildup. Other symptoms of kidney disease include
> loss of sleep, poor appetite, upset stomach, weakness, and difficulty
> concentrating.
>
> It is vital to see a doctor regularly. The doctor can check blood
> pressure, urine (for protein), blood (for waste products), and organs for
> other complications of diabetes.
> Kidney Disease Prevention
>
>
> Diabetic kidney disease can be prevented by keeping blood sugar in your
> target range. Research has shown that tight blood sugar control reduces
> the risk of microalbuminuria by one third. In people who already had
> microalbuminuria, the risk of progressing to macroalbuminuria was cut in
> half. Other studies have suggested that tight control can reverse
> microalbuminuria.
> Treatments for kidney disease
>
>
> Important treatments for kidney disease are tight control of blood glucose
> and blood pressure. Blood pressure has a dramatic effect on the rate at
> which the disease progresses. Even a mild rise in blood pressure can
> quickly make kidney disease worsen. Four ways to lower your blood pressure
> are losing weight, eating less salt, avoiding alcohol and tobacco, and
> getting regular exercise.
>
> When these methods fail, certain medicines may be able to lower blood
> pressure. There are several kinds of blood pressure drugs. Not all are
> equally good for people with diabetes. Some raise blood sugar levels or
> mask some of the symptoms of low blood sugar. Doctors usually prefer
> people with diabetes to take blood pressure drugs called ACE inhibitors.
>
> ACE inhibitors are recommended for most people with diabetes, high blood
> pressure, and kidney disease. Recent studies suggest that ACE inhibitors,
> which include captopril and enalapril, slow kidney disease in addition to
> lowering blood pressure. In fact, these drugs are helpful even in people
> who do not have high blood pressure.
>
> Another treatment some doctors use with macroalbuminuria is a low-protein
> diet. Protein seems to increase how hard the kidneys must work. A
> low-protein diet can decrease protein loss in the urine and increase
> protein levels in the blood. Never start a low-protein diet without
> talking to your health care team.
>
> Once kidneys fail, dialysis is necessary. The person must choose whether
> to continue with dialysis or to get a kidney transplant. This choice
> should be made as a team effort. The team should include the doctor and
> diabetes educator, a nephrologist (kidney doctor), a kidney transplant
> surgeon, a social worker, and a psychologist.
> Facts about diabetes and kidney disease
> ? 10-21% of all people with diabetes have nephropathy
> ? Approximately 43% of new cases of ESRD are attributed to diabetes
> ? ESRD incidence attributed to diabetes is increasing more rapidly than
> ESRD due to other causes. (From 1988 to 1991, diabetes accounted for 33.8%
> of new ESRD cases, up from 23% of new cases in 1982. By 1999, this number
> reached 43%.)
> ? In the United States, the incidence of reported ESRD in people with
> diabetes is more than 4 times as high in African Americans, 4 to 6 times
> as high in Mexican Americans and 6 times as high in Native Americans than
> in the general population of diabetes patients
> ? The risk of ESRD is 12 times as high in people with type 1 diabetes as
> in those with type 2 diabetes
> ? In patients with type 1 diabetes who develop persistent proteinuria,
> ESRD or death usually follows after about 5-10 years.
>
> Thomas Muffaletto wrote:
>
>>>OK let's start with kidney function. Folks with healthily functioning
>>>kidneys can bring their protein intake up to about 20% to encourage
>>>weight loss. The low fat people have done it (with non-diabetics)
>>>They did a trial where the weight loss roughly matched some low carb
>>>weight loss results. The trick was to use heaps more fibre and to
>>>bring the protein levels up. When kidney function is damaged boosting
>>>protein makes the damage worse. I sometimes use the analogy of ice
>>>skating. With healthy ankles, ice skating will strengthen them. With
>>>a bone fracture in the ankle, ice skating is madness.
>>
>>
>> just my opinion
>> I dont really think that is a good analogy and there are 1000's
>> of analogies that can be used to show good or bad.
>>
>> 1 analogy might be that eating a lot of protien with healthy kidney's
>> might be like
>> trying to lift a lot of weight with a healthy back - it just aint good
>> for the back.
>>
>> basically 2 much of anything is not good - too bad no one knows what is
>> too much.
>> how did they find out too much protien is bad for unhealthy kidneys?
>> is it because those studies were eating too much protien?
>> and didnt change their diet after the kidneys got weakened?
>> was it too much protien that made the kidneys unhealthy to begin with?
>>
>> truth is it cant be proven - but i am not waiting for it to be proven.
>>
>> at this point truth is there are only opinions - formyself while i am not
>> a health freak
>> i see no reason to wait until it can be proved. enough qualified people
>> warned
>> about the posibilities and that is good enough for me.
>> on the other hand if you gain control on a low fat diet - there are far
>> less warnings.
>> imho analogies in health are really nothing more than the first 4 letters
>> of the word "analogy."
>> good for drawing a picture of an opinion but have nothing to do with
>> fact.
>


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