Re: The Claims about Naltrexone are Total B.S. , was Re: Deb
- From: Michael B <baughfam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 03:43:43 -0800 (PST)
Aloha, and thanks for your effort, but it didn't get
him to respond. And I am disappointed.
And my question to other folks would be, wouldn't
you like to feel good in the morning, and have your
own body doubling or tripling the amount of personal
endorphins, and in the process likely increase your
brain neurotransmitters? And be able to cause that to
happen by using a medication that is approved for
narcotics and alcohol rehab? No static from DEA on that.
Oh, and be able to stop autoimmune conditions,
cancer, fibromyalgia in the process.
Hey, I know it sounds too good to be true. And I have
put out an open invitation to show me how it's not true.
Now, granted, it doesn't work for everyone. But the
call is open, show me how what I've said is not true.
But learn about it first, so that your response is credible,
instead simply doing the "it's bullshit" like was done
before by someone now not willing to justify the comment.
On Dec 26 2010, 10:31 pm, Hawaiian Wayne <birdie...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Dec 26, 2:18 pm, Michael B <baugh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Good question. The answer is: $38.12, which is the
amount I paid for the prescription.
Ya know, putting aside the fact that you promised
to killfile me for my telling about Naltrexone, I have
a story to tell that you might be able to help me with.
For the last three years, when I have told the LDN
story to pharmacists, I have always seen them as a
possible information source, and have told them that
I've told the good about LDN, and welcomed them to
tell me "the bad, and the ugly" about it. And certainly,
I've reminded that it doesn't work for everyone.
So this is where you come in. A lady that teaches
pharmacology recently told me that a colleague was
getting his grandson started on the LDN protocol,
for severe multiple sclerosis, so I can't count on much
additional info from that sector, especially of a negative
And now you have presented yourself to tell how what
I wrote is the most bullshit you have ever read in this
newsgroup. That suits me. Regardless of the motivation,
I'm inviting you to give me chapter and verse about how
what I've said is incorrect. Or put your way, " the
biggest bunch of bullshit I have read here"
Now, we realize that you know I don't have any money
to be gained if a person takes it or not. It went generic
over a decade ago. And LDN, and the Sinclair Method
are both "off-label", so there's not much financial boost
likely to be seen to the manufacturers, only physical
advantage to the person taking it, and they would have
to do their own research. I prefer double-blind studies,
but that's only been done for Crohn's, and they had 67%
remission. Not like there'll be a pharmacy company to
sponsor a double-blind study.
And I am looking forward to your showing me how the
Sinclair Method doesn't really get the results claimed.
And how the LDN protocol doesn't work either.
Matter of fact, just so I don't miss your report, I invite
you to title your thread "The Claims about Naltrexone
are Total Bullshit". Just to be sure to get my attention.
No, no, wait. I'll do it for you. Hope this helps
On Dec 26, 4:23 pm, Cane <xerostomia.2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have read here.
How much money do you have invested in Naltrexone?
On Dec 24, 10:08 am, Michael B <baugh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As always, what is being posted here is simply my opinion.
With that reminder expressed....
Alcohol rehab in the U.S. and several other areas is done
in a fashion to maximize financial gain, and put the blame
for its eventual failure at the feet of the victim of the process.
As always, follow the money. Plenty of people can afford
the rehab resorts, makes up for the ones that can't.
But it is based on abstinence and the eventual maintenance
of that abstinence. With the strong reminder that "falling off
the wagon" would likely mean returning to the earlier levels
of alcoholic depravity.
That's like telling diabetics that they can never again have a
piece of birthday cake, or whatever. It is naively arrogant.
I have an answer. But before you scroll down, a bit of
In the early 1980's, there were a lot of narcotics addicts and
alcoholics populating the New York City jails. But when they
would be released, they would go right back to the mugging,
burglarizing, etc. to feed their habits. They had been through
"detox", they were "clean", and yet they still went back to it.
Despite the prospect of being jailed again and having to go
through it all again.
So during the Nixon era, the pharmaceutical industry came
up with an oral version of Naloxone. Give an addict 50mg
of Revia(Naltrexone) and there is no point in scoring the
narcotics or alcohol, it won't do any good. So an enormous
number of addicts were able to be probated. Term of the
probation was that they had to be given the Revia at the
local community center, and after a half hour be able to
leave for the day.
One of the doctors involved was a New York neurologist,
Dr Bihari. He was perplexed at why the addicts were fully
willing to go back to the earlier addiction, & saw how they
bitterly resented having to take the Revia. But as a
neurologist, he realized the Revia was binding up their
endorphins. He had plenty of addicts available, he hired a
researcher to determine their own endorphin levels. Found
that they were only making 1/4 to 1/3 of the endorphins
of the "Normal" population. So they were self-medicating
with narcotics or alcohol.
In the process of his research, he found that if you give
only 1/10 of the dose, at bedtime, the body checks its
endorphin level at about 2AM, finds that the level is at
zero, and brings the level up by 200-300% of what it
would have been without the intervention. Pretty neat
to be able to cause a narcotics-cessation drug to cause
the addict to wake up in the morning feeling very good,
and not feeling the need for the narcotics or alcohol.
SO... the Low Dose Naltrexone is my first proposal for
narcotics or alcohol addiction. Actually, there are some
other conditions that feed the endorphin bank, including
some eating disorders that result in vomiting which
brings up the endorphins, or the nearly pathologic levels
of exercise that bring up the "runner's high", etc. As do
riding the roller coaster, bunji-cord jumping, sex, etc.
But you see that getting a one-month supply of Revia
and using only a tenth dose at bedtime is certainly not
going to make anybody any money, especially since it
became a generic over a decade ago, and the protocol
is known as "off-label". Doctors avoid that sorta thing.
NEXT-The administration of Revia is wrong, and most
doctors don't realize it. The idea is to essentially require
abstinence, because it does no good with the Revia on
board. But all the other things that you would be getting
endorphins from are getting their effects attenuated, such
as being told you are doing a good job, having your scalp
scratched, getting a massage, having sex, doing serious
exercise, etc. The endorphins simply can't be accessed
because they are prevented from arriving at their receptor
So the most sensible thing to do would be to only take the
Revia when you are going to be drinking. Don't take my
word for it, that's what is known as the Sinclair Method,
and I invite you to do your personal research on it. In fact,
I have a friend with Multiple Sclerosis and Fibromyalgia,
and I wanted to get her enough Natrexone to use for a
year, so when I was seeing a new doctor, I made the pitch
about being a recovering alcoholic using the Sinclair Method,
gave him a reprint about it, he gave me a month prescription.
And I suspect that with careful manipulation of the dose, the
Sinclair Method could be merged to have the effect of LDN.
After all, the cops are not likely to be interested in anybody
that gets a narcotics agonist. But consider that to bring up
the endorphins, the brain brings up the levels of the brain
neurotransmitters serotonin, norepinephrin, and dopamine.
Not many pharmacy companies want to see their market
in antidepressants go down the tube because of something
As a side benefit, endorphins serve to give the immune
system the signal of what's supposed to be there, what's
not, so cancers are more adequately dealt with in the LDN
protocol, as are autoimmune dysfunctions. Such as MS,
Lupus, Crohn's, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, etc.
There. Some things to think about. And not likely that I'm
making all this stuff up.
On Dec 23, 5:31 am, "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <nobodyh...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Gigglz" wrote in message
first of all, i have NO idea what you are even talking about. you are
irrational. you make no sense at all.
second of all, YOU be upset with ME after what you have done to me?
and then come in here hurling accusations? that's a good one.
the chronic pain people don't need to hear your ranting, laurie.
have a merry christmas.
I think you know I make perfect sense. YOU are the only one
talking/discussing things about me being an alcoholic. I've read countless
emails about you accusing me of using. There is NO ONE in my life that
believes that, except you. And I got another email this morning from a
drug/alcohol rehab clinic. I haven't put my email address out there for
anyone to contact me, much less my PHONE NUMBER. If it quacks like a duck,
then it's a duck. I'm asking that you STOP sending my info to these places.
Okay? And thank you.
And Merry Christmas to you and your family.
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All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:43:13 -0500, "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~"
Thanks for taking my PRIVATE information and sending it to the facility in
Michigan. I could be VERY upset w/you AGAIN, but I'll take this for what
it's worth. I
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