Re: I was UNBELIEVABLY STUPID!!
- From: "oldgoat" <oldgoatmail@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:36:16 -0500
Stop playing coy about this. Mensa and a trip9er and you're going to let a little doc speak throw you for a loop? I was just trying to point out the mostly English spoken parts where they're all pretty much the same problematically. Not even getting in to efficacy cause all I remember is Teva sucked and are no longer making patches. That said it may not hurt to check the "destroy by" date. I am sure a pharmacy would never intentionally sell old stock and I am sure I can find, with very little digging, many such cases and they were all accidental. To quote "Big Julie" from "Guys and Dolls"- "I got a poifect record, yer 'onner. Toity tree arrests and no convictions"
Try and ask the doctor to write Duragesic, and if he has to, check the "no generic" box. The difference would be worth it even if you had to pay the difference out of pocket. They can do a lot to give you a break (that's a big money maker) and there are/ were/ still should be coupons available. There's something worth doing while you're stuck in their waiting room.
Methadone is still dirt cheap and other than stigma which is bullshit, you need a cardiac check up (not a bad idea anyhow) and you're off to the races.
It cures leukemia too-og
CatNipped wrote:BTW, I appreciate the link, but I have NO idea what all that is
saying - except that I'm sure it's dire. For the record, though, I
don't use those kind. My patch has only the one layer, sticky side,
non-sticky side - and they stick so well that they're sometimes hard
to remove. I'm guessing that the medication itself is mixed in with
the sticky since, unlike those by Sandoz, they don't have a visible
"reservoir" of medication, and they have *never* been very effective
after the first day - by the second day my pain is through the roof. Leaving it on only seems to even it out for me a little so that I
don't have one good day then one bad day then one good day, etc.
Are those by Mylan by any chance? Those things were horrible for me. By day 2 they barely did a thing. It's when the Sandoz/Janssen ones were in severe shortage, and all I could get was the Mylan, that I had my doctor substitute another med. I went on morphine, and I'm staying on it. I swear the Mylan release everything on day 1, and putters out by day 2. Maybe you need to witch patch brands, get the doc to specify only the Sandoz/Janssen ones, which are manufactured by Alza Corporation. Yeah, the Mylans stick better, but they have the worst release system IMHO.....
I'm sure my doctor wouldn't approve of me using it that way, but he
doesn't have to go to work and do my job for 9 to 10 hours a day. And if anyone here wishes to go "real life" on me, well, there's not
much I can do to stop them so I don't worry about it. They could
"tattle" to my doctor and, if he chooses to believe them, he could
"fire" me as a patient. That doesn't worry me much either - I've
gone through withdrawals (on purpose, on my own initiative and cold
turkey) three times before (the first from the SSRIs and anti-seizure
meds, the other two from the pain meds) - it will either kill me or
I'll live through it - at the moment either would be fine with me.
"CatNipped" <CatNipped@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
"oldgoat" <oldgoatmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
Pretty stupid, but not as stupid as I feel, doing this.
First off posting from work is dumb, especially if the ice is as
thin as you say. Talking about work is doubly dumb just compounds
the issue. You should know better than most, regardless of how much
control you have or think you have someone is always going to see
the crap. The good stuff, you have to tie to a brick and hit
somebody in the forehead for notice. But anything you'd rather keep
personal will always be seen, no matter what lengths you go to or
how much control of the IT department you have or think you have.
It's Murphy's Law, not Murphy's Coincidences. I was going to explain a few points to you regarding carrying
enough BT meds to prevent opiate withdrawal and the dangers of this
type of drug delivery system to people around you ESPECIALLY PETS.
Patches have tendency to end up somewhere other than you applied
them. Why you need to alternate application between more than 2
spots. Why with plenty of fentanyl left in the patch (even at 72
hours there's still milligrams, not micrograms left) you aren't
getting more relief leaving it applied to already saturated tissues.
But I don't expect to be believed by you and I don't particularly
are what you think. But when I say I wouldn't wish this kind of
pain on a dog, it includes cats, and I mean it .
Here's the prescribers info from the Duragesic site. I did not think
simple paraphrasing from my PDR (which laid it all out much better)
would be believed. So:
Do what you will.
Hopefully someone else can use this as well--og
Thank you, OG, for (at least tentatively) holding out the olive
branch (if that's what this is), and for the advice.
To illustrate to you just how incredibly stupid I am, I've told my
boss, my boss' boss and the H/R rep all about my illness and what I
have to do in order to work. I've been very frank with them both
because being honest with everyone is the only thing I know *how* to
do, and I thought it was fair that they know what I'm dealing with
and why I've had to take so many days off, and why I sometimes start
crying at my desk for no apparent (to them) reason, and why I
sometimes have cold packs attached to my neck after a "procedure",
and why I have my husband bring me and pick me up on days when I
have to take my BT medications almost as soon as I get out of bed.
They even know that I am taking part in an online chronic pain
support group - everthing gets dropped as soon as I'm brought a job
to do, of course, so I'm not "stealing" any of the company's time
when I post here. I don't like being on the Duragesic at all, I just don't trust my PM
doctor to give me anything else as effective if I ask to be taken
off this medication. I have talked to them about changing
medications and they are adamant about not doing so (but, then
again, their standard operating procedure is to have your
prescriptions already printed out and signed and clipped to your
chart before you even go into the examination room). I'm having serious problems with both SAD and Christmas depression -
to the point where I can only concentrate on doing one thing at a
time, and if it's during working (and doctor's office) hours I'm
concentrating on work (we are just two people who have to fulfill
the needs of 30 associates, so you can imagine how busy I am). Hopefully, after Christmas, things will change (hopefully in a good
way, but either way they will change) and I will be able to get
myself together enough to find a decent PM doctor - there has to be
at least ONE here in Houston. The few references I've been given
from people here have not returned my calls - I'm sure their offices
get just as busy at Christmas as everyone else's.
Hopefully in Peace,
"Cat" <Cat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
I don't know why I'm even writing this here knowing what some
people may do with the information, but in the manner of self
flagellation, here it is... I use Fentanyl patches - 75mcg/hr
changed every 42 hours. Since I can not even get to see my PM
doctor, only his PA, and since they have decided that I do NOT
have CRPS (even though I have all the symptoms of it, and three
other doctors think I *DO* have it), they have decided to "cap" my
medications at the current level (as it has been for 4 - 5 months
now). I also take 8 30mg Oxycodone for BT pain. (To all those
who advised me to get another doctor, I called every contact given
and could not get anyone to call me back - I'm just too tired and
my life too hectic at work to keep calling and calling.) The cold
weather(1) has really been affecting my pain - as in sending it
through the roof - I'm at the point of making end-term decisions
because of it. What I've been doing to help just a bit is, when I
put on one patch, instead of taking the old one off immediately, I
leave it on until it's time to change the patch again. Monday I put a patch on my left shoulder and left the old one on my
right. I should have changed the patch on my right shoulder on
Wednesday, but I forgot and didn't put a new patch on. Yesterday
when I got home from work I immediately jumped into a hot shower,
took the patch off my *left* shoulder, and forgot to put another
patch on *at all*. I couldn't understand why I was tossing and
turning all night, feeling like I was going (more) crazy.
This morning I was *definitely* going out of my mind in pain, and
walking outside into the "feels like" temperature of 25F degrees
was like stepping into a bonfire. I was shaking and forgetting
things - I had Ben drive me to work because I felt I couldn't
drive without endangering myself and everyone else on the road.
Just as we were leaving the house I remembered that my group was
having lunch today and exchanging gifts (the person I picked
wanted a Target gift certificate), so we drove out of the way to
Target only to find that they would not open until 8AM. Ben went
ahead and drove me to work, but when he got home he felt bad about
my situation and he called and offered to go get the gift card and
bring it to me. Well, at work things were so crazy I couldn't even take the time
to run downstairs and pick up the card as he drove by, so he had
to park and bring it up to me - he was not delighted with this to
say the least. I kept on working on two projects that were needed
"yesterday", and kept feeling worse and worse and worse. It
wasn't until I rubbed my left shoulder that I realized that the
patch wasn't there. I had to call Ben yet again - he was *SO* not
happy that he had to drive up here yet again (it's a 40 minute
drive, one way), but he did it because I could not stop shaking
and couldn't get my work done - and to start having insane
withdrawals in the middle of my office is not conducive to being
chosen as one of the "keepers" after this merger goes through. This time I *MADE* the time to go downstairs so I could grab the
patch as he drove by. I immediately went to the Ladies Room to put the patch on. Fifteen
minutes later I was *SO* sorry that I did. All of that Fentanyl
hitting my "dry" system had me hanging from the ceiling by my
fingernails (if that's what it feels like to feel high, the
druggies can KEEP it, I almost called 911 it was so bad). I just
stayed at my desk taking deep breaths until it was time for my
team lunch. I ate a few bites of brisket and tried to just sit
back and relax a bit and that helped - a little. I'm still
shaking and I learned that, 1) I will *ALWAYS* keep a calendar, on
my bathroom mirror, of my schedule for the patch changes, and 2) I
will *NEVER* again ask Ben to take *FOUR* 80 minute drives for me
all because I am a stupid, stupid person. (1)The cold is so bad for me that I wear underwear, then thermal
underwear then pants and a sweater, then another sweater over
that, then a *heavy* wool coat and scarf and gloves - and I'm
still cold straight down to the bone. Weighing 118 at 5' 5.5", I
just don't have any body fat to keep me warm any more - and I
don't know how to quit losing weight because I just can't eat when
I'm in pain, it sticks in my throat. [And right now it feels like
I'm going to lose the few bites of lunch I did manage to get down.]
When I get home I immediately turn my electric blanket to high
(and that thing could toast bread, it gets so hot). The bed has
the thickest flannel sheets I could find online, then the electric
blanket over that, then a thermal blanket over that to trap the
heat downwards, then a heavy, heavy quilt over all of it. As soon
as I get home it's a fresh pair of undies and thermal underwear,
then flannel pajamas, then a sweat shirt over that, then a heavy
robe over that, then three pairs of socks and a pair of slippers.
I would call this post a morality tale if I could think of the
moral it's telling.
Contessa of Consternation
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