Re: Would you share some of your meds for a 'true friend' that is in terrible crisis



On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:34:28 -0800, "Juba" <juba@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

OldGoat <oldgoatmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message:
2svVj.670$lQ1.39@trnddc02,
And you know I'm an advocate for better living through
chemistry, but if there's options (better, more important ones) they
need to be looked at.

But the point here was that there were no reasonable options immediately
available. Let's review the background according to Blinded:

A friend of many years is in a "crisis flare". This "crisis flare" is
so bad that She is
seriously suicidal due to the pain and her doctors are refusing to
script her the proper meds
(or any meds) to survive the crisis, in less pain than you would allow
your dog to suffer.

This person has already been to her doctor, so it's not a case of
masking pain instead of dealing with an urgent medical situation.

Of course the easy answer here is to say "find another doctor" but
that's a lot easier said than done.

I know you and some others have always argued that one should never,
ever take any meds that weren't prescribed for them by their doctor.
That sounds good in theory, but in the real world in which people have
to live, there is a lot of untreated pain and a good portion of it is
not because the person didn't try hard enough to get it treated. Many
people are put in an impossible situation and they end up committing
suicide because of it.

Granted, many people who say they've tried everything really haven't for
one reason or another, but when one is in extreme pain it's hard to be
patient and hope for the best. A trip to the ER is no panacea and may
well result in being labeled a drug seeker, especially if one makes a
scene because the ER doc won't prescribe anything.

It's easy enough to overstate the danger of helping a friend out who is
in a temporary crisis situation and use that as your justification for
denying them a little relief. Indeed, that is the standard response of
many doctors who don't want to be bothered with the risks involved in
prescribing narcotics.

I've helped people out before and I've been the recipient of help from
others. That's what friends do for each other when in extraordinary
circumstances. However, if you're going to offer help then you have a
responsibility to be reasonably certain that your help is not "enabling"
drug abuse, or might endanger the recipient.

Only once have I ever regretted helping someone by sending them some
pills, because I found out later that they had a drug problem and also
that they had traded the Marinol I sent them (According to drugstore.com
60, 10mg capsules costs $1,415.56) for less than $20 worth of benzos.
That was my mistake for being too generous, and also for not seeing the
obvious signs of addiction that were manifested time and time again. But
there was no harm done either.

Seems everyone wants to gloss over the comment "seriously suicidal".
Anyone who is "seriously suicidal" regardless of the cause needs
immediate intervention least they carry out the threat. A threat to
commit suicide is a call for help (or sometimes just attention),
regardless this isn't an area for a novice to be mucking about. What
if that couple of pills you slipped your friend is all they needed to
remove any inhibitions they might have had over pulling the trigger?
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli
.



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