Re: Can MD discussions be totally off the record?

On Mar 31, 2:57 pm, Top <T...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:52:32 -0700, Cupper wrote:
I am seeing a trend here that I find very disruptive and I wonder if
anyone agrees.

I have encountered this Paul Holland character and his pals before - I
though his name looked familiar. From posts I have reviewed of his
past work - hundreds and hundreds of posts, I see that he is suffering
from some chronic pain issues for some condition that I presume keeps
him home in bed or at least at the terminal all day. I feel for him
and can only wonder what it must be like. I do not mean to pry but you
do seem very bitter and certainly do attack people with false
allegations and half truths taken out of context to serve your anti-
spam crusade.

Here is my point.

The last time you attacked me was when I was introducing cupping
treatment to people with arthritis who i sincerely believed would
benefit from the treatment. They are free to make up their own mind
based on what we presented and others had to say. I have in fact never
charged for cupping over the many years I have done it and I set up
the site with the sole intention of helping people to learn about
something that might help them. My intention is clear - i will answer
to my God as you will to yours - disrupting and hurting people the way
your do with so much slander and false information (two identities)
and that sort of foolishness.

Then our friend, dear Paul found that we sold an eBook on the subject.
I sell a few copies of this book and have literally given away more
than we have sold. The price was under ten bucks. My point is this,
everything you need to know about cupping was and is offered on the
site. Anyone may come and partake of the services we provide for free
- no cost whatsoever. We do believe Charity has a healing benefit and
if offered it is not turned down because charity heals and protects -
you can not refuse a genuine gift - it is wrong. We explain that as a
matter of education only - people have lost that sense.

My wife and I, that other identity, ahem, have driven hundreds of
miles to help people and received nothing in return. That is alright,
we are clergy - our goal is to serve people.

NOW, Paul and friend are at it again, harassing us for, oh my God,
selling onions. Onions that we have to order, test, research, store
and then ship to people. We do it because NO ONE ELSE IS DOING IT! The
Onions need to be of a certain variety and very pungent. Growers have
worked hard to grow sweet onions, because they sell. So finding the
best onions for cancer treatment is a royal pain in the ***. We could
leave people to fend for themselves and they are free to fend for
themselves. We have, without exception, offered every bit of
information a person would need to find their own onions. The point is
it is very difficult and most people could not tell a pungent onion
from a sweet onion as they look identical. At some point in the future
we are going to have to do lab tests on these varieties.

So what is the solution

Pauls and friends hardliner solution- blinders firmly in place -
nothing better to do than to impress each other with how vicious they
can be towards, oh my God, people selling something - their solution
is that anyone sells something, no matter what the circumstances - we
crucify them and public attack and humiliate them. Why? Because they
say there is nothing Commercial allowed in these groups - and I would
agree. But the spirit of that law is direct advertisement of products
as a primary objective. Our primary objective is educating people
about things that can really help them - people are free to choose.
And as a minor part of what we do - we offer a few items that help
people - in the case of onions - something they would be hard pressed
to find the same quality on their own. So what is commercial.

I have seen other attacks by these guys against people who really
believe they are out to help people and yes, on the side they do
something to pay for rice and beans. This is not the spirit of the NO
COMMERCIAL ruling and most people understand that. These guys are way
off base, but this has turned into their identity, their life, their
crusade - it is down right scary that they have nothing better to do -
LOOK at the volume of their post to get an idea how warped - what an
addiction this is with them. Yes, very scary.

So big Corporations can afford to develop non-profit organizations and
association to "independently" promote their products and their own
brand of services. Anyone who does not understand that that is in fact
Commercial Enterprise is really deluded. It is the medical mafia game.
Develop a site to promote independent research or studies when those
organizations and people are paid by you and then use that so-called
independent research to promote pills and treatments that you make
millions from. Kickbacks, etc. ect. ect.

No Commercial does not mean to cover an incidental related product
offered as part of an educational effort to promote better
understanding about a particular alternative form of treatment. We all
know the difference when we see it - but not Paul, he and friends are
on a serious mission. We will get your domain revoked, for what -
selling a couple of onions.

THESE GUYS ARE WAY OFF BASE and I like to hear if you others agree. If
you do, it is time to report them for disrupting otherwise productive
and useful posts - posts that are very popular with the majority of
readers. These guys have turned into Cyber terrorists and it is not
fare that they continue to spam these sites with their crusade of
hatred.

I still believe this is intentional - that these guys are paid
disrupters - I simply can not imagine someone spending as much time
doing this type of disrupting work without getting some COMMERCIAL
Interest.

God is the best of Judges.

Peace.

1. Start your own thread.

2. Very wrong place to try to sell anything so expect to be challenged.

3. Even more of a wrong place to attack Paul.

4. Please don't interupt the flow of information again.

Top

I'm very confused over the attack on Paul. I have never had a problem
with Paul or any of his posts, even if we were to slightly disagree at
times. So I'm force to side with those that defend those top 4 reasons
above- at least until I have reason to change my mind. I'm not too
crazy about being spammed on this forum and would much rather see a 0
tolerance to spam here than to see people argue about it out of
context of the thread.

Peace

No Money
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