Re: Can MD discussions be totally off the record?

Dear Paul,

Thanks, man. I had forgotten our fascist A.G. and I fear his idea are not
that far from UBL's goals- a return to the unenlightened days of the 15th
century. We should be up in arms he spend 15 million of our tax dollars
retrying Muhammad and Malvo when they're already looking at the needle in
Virginia. It just brought him in to the spotlight he lives in and adds
another layer of appeals for the beltway snipers to use in pushing Judgment
day back another decade or two. The only good thing I can say about Gantzler
is that I voted against him. I believe I wrote in Daffy Duck.The results are
the same in any case. That's why I never leave the house without Barry
Helfands business card in my wallet.
I'm going to shock you one of these days, when my energy level is high
enough, and pop in on you and drag you to lunch. You'll know me by the "old
goat rules" t-shirt and of course the goatee. I need a trip down your way
anyhow as they have gutted what few comic stores that there used to be up
county. So a trip to the Barbarian and Geppi's(if they're still around on
Fention St) are too close to you not to drop in. It'll be good to kick
around the old, strange, days. We may not have been there together
temporaly, but we were there together, none the less.
The best of health to you and I promise we'll avoid the Thai place on your
block, unless you're in to Thai. I assume Tastee Diner is gone the way of
Shepard Park and the other bars of its' ilk. Morality ruins everything good.

Be well My Friend--og

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"Paul T. Holland" <pholland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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og -

my history with docs says that you can't really have a 'total' off the
record.

yes, they are often willing to just 'talk' without entering it into the
paper record, but there simply isn't any way to know ahead of time how
they will react in the long run concerning herb.

'if' [and it's a big unknown if] doc is 'ok' with it, fine, but if not,
then you will forever be under the spotlight and that is when the second
guessing starts about your motives, intent, condition, et al...

you also bring up the legal issue -

our old county attorney doug gansler is now the md state ag, and that he
is known to be a tough law and order advocate on drug issues, it is
almost impossible to know how his office will start reacting to these
issues. but i am not hopeful

given your facilitation of another, and should it ever be necessary, we
have one of the more agressive legal advocates for the md law right here
in silver spring [his office is just a couple of blocks from me, and
he's in the same building as our local center for independent living]

see:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A25220-2003Sep30&notFound=true
http://www.markskatz.com/DrugLawyers.htm
http://www.markskatz.com/contact.htm




OldGoat wrote:

Hey guys,

I accidentally posted this in the dot pain group somehow. Aside from my
own
post here, anyone that remembers Marcus- it looks like he's not doing too
great, getting back with the patches which were a nightmare for him, so
if
you can, say a little prayer for him, or better yet if you have a good
address on him, drop him a line and remind him we all care about him and
he's far from forgotten.
I now return you to my personal paranoia, already in progress...

For those of you that understand HIPPA laws and have more knowledge of
the
doctor patient confidentiality relation than I do (which means everyone
here) is there anything, a statute or statement, that says if you desire
to
discuss an issue with a physician and want no notes taken, no records of
the
conversation, an absolute zero on a particular subject, that you have the
right to totally restrict a portion of a consultation?
I can tell you guys, because I am essentially a cipher to most of you. I
want to ask about using reefer, both as an adjunct to the pain issues,
but
also in the form of an anti depressant. It has been about 25 years since
I
have smoked pot with any frequency and those few special occasions that I
have used any in the interim, they were more of a Clinton toke, mouth
full
of smoke and blow. As they saying went in my day, "You have to cough to
get
off". Not even a nose wrinkle involved.
I know Maryland has a little know medical marijuana provision, it's never
used and inspite of the legality, I am sure it would be enough to get
bounced from every pain clinic in the state.
But back in the day life was just as stressful, yet I was without stress.
I
was more creative and motivated, the complete opposite of the couch
potato
image of stoners the world sees now. I know too the product has changed.
It
may not do what it used to, in fact I may hate this new breed.
But I'd like a chance to try and a chance to discuss it honestly with the
pain doctor, but the last thing I want is an unwarranted "POTHEAD"
stamped
across my medical file when I might not even like the new crap that's
available.
So do I want to have my cake and eat it too. Is it foolish to discuss
with
an MD? Should I roll the dice and hope it won't show if I give it a try
and
can avoid a urine for more than 30 days?
I'm probably not the only one who's been wondering this stuff. So what do
you guys think? Does going non pharmacy for medication make me a bad guy
just for thinking it?
I wont hold any answers or name calling against anyone, just looking for
what you really think, honestly. Thanx--og

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