Re: fentanyl transdermal system
- From: A Wolf of ill repute
- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:58:51 -0500
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:52:32 -0600, "Cabbi" <cabbi@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Amen, my brave friend. I guess I'll never understand the human conditionI see no piling on, other then in this forum. Plenty of complaints,
which drives us to pile on our most damaged and suffering souls simply to be
able to say, "at least I'm not one of them, I'm not that much of a sicko".
Oh, but you may soon be if you don't have the money it takes to support
those other habits/luxuries, medical and pharmaceutical insurance.
questions & issues raised on the subject, but nothing more substantive
for an answer then lets "Take away from them to give to us". Not
principles this country was founded on.
Some whom have safe-guards cannot take them fro granted, because there
Most of us who have these safe guards take them for granted. We cannot
believe what we're seeing happen to families who now must do without. This
lack of insurance has created a new class of drug users who were once
respectable patients. Now they are becoming addicts simply because they must
get their medications from dealers rather than doctors. That's why I feel
there is so little difference between "them" and "us". We yet to pay a
dealer instead of a doctor and or pharmacist to help put out the fires in
our bodies not yet.
are in some cases those waiting in the wings to swoop down & take them
away. An issue for which one must be ever vigilant.
While I have no more harder scientific data then you used in making
your claim, I doubt very highly that there is a high, or even low
percentage of bonafied patients who have now become addicts relying on
street dealers for street drugs as a remedy to their problem. All in
all that is just a willingness to exchange on set of problems for
Intermingling a junkie who causes the problem in with the people who
Let's not confuse the victims of a greedy system with what happens
to those like the "beloved Rush" who turned to turn to his cleaning woman
for more drugs than his doctor felt he should have. The self professed
arbiter of all that is right and fair in this country was made to look a
criminal because he could not find a legal way to cope with the habit he'd
developed while using OxyContin. The man is a millionaire a few times over,
but even insurance and expensive doctors either couldn't or wouldn't supply
this junkie with enough drugs to keep him happy and high. Sounds
like the DEA finally got one right. But how many real pain patients must
make daily, (or hourly) choices between a never ending life of pain or
breaking the laws which deny them the chemicals which could give them almost
"normal" and productive lives.
are actually the one's who suffer from the end results of their
actions has no bearing.
An anomaly more then a rule.
I feel like I can speak to this issue. I spent thirty years of doing
everything I could to get any kind of pain relief, legal or not, before one
doctor changed my entire life in one day. I'll never forget his words,
"First of all we've got to get your pain under control". He carefully found
a balance between my pain and the narcotics I required to be able to work,
sleep and, for the first time in memory, live. I thought I was a junkie for
all those years, but once I was on the proper dose of pain meds, I didn't
want, need or use anymore.
We all make choices, I could hardly agree that of the afore mentioned
Thank God I had (and have) great insurance. But if I didn't have the
right insurance at the time I met the right Dr., God only knows what I'd be
doing right now.
The chances that many of us will meet these two criteria at the same
time is slim.
I imagine that I would have killed a few people while drunk and driving,
out looking for some kind of meds to give me a bit of relief.
If not, I'm pretty sure I'd have been busted a few time in trying to
sell enough of my stash so that I could afford to buy my next morning's
ones are a wise or legitimate course of action. From my limited
experience medications converted to street drugs are going to be more
expensive then buying them at a pharmacy, hence lack of insurance
isn't an issue in this type of situation.
Most of us never find one good pain management guy. I think most of usI doubt it, no proven statistics on the subject either.
finally just give up and kill ourselves. Is that the cure for those of us
who have little or no insurance?
Unless they leave a note specifically detailing it as the issue why it
If it is, how would we every know. It's a study no one seems to want to
see done. Why do we all seem to want to turn away from even the information
that might save us or our children?
would be a very difficult research project to undertake in the first
Anyone who by their own selfish actions, especially if the end result
It's time to gather up our courage and face the questions that seem to
embarrass us so much. Yes, we take narcotics and we don't have to be
apologists or those who condemn others who take drugs for "the wrong
reasons". Until we understand how the human brain works, we can't continue
to act as if we condemn those who "abuse" drugs. Once we understand how the
pain and pleasure centers work, we can't keep distancing ourselves from the
"abuse community". No, I'm not one who would supply the "abuser" with how to
get higher, but I'd want to know what I could learn from any addict what it
took to get started and what helps one survive deprivation. Rather than
talk, I'd listen. Without hearing how it happens, how can we start to
control it? Abusers are not dirt. They are, in their own way, pain patients
who are out of control.
of their actions are known to them are dirt if they still willfully
engage in conduct that by association hurts others. About the only
thing most Junkies have to teach, is the horror of Junkiedoom.
"Oh bother," mummbled Pooh, as he chambered another round.
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