Re: Lovely

On Jul 23, 11:44 am, "OldGoat" <oldgoatm...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Liss,

Pardon the grotesque thought, .but with the withdrawal, an 8 pound stool
sample may have been a possibility. Wrapped with a bow and an appropriate
card...

Just a disgusting but fitting thought--og

hahahaha!! I wish... only I'd use the bile from puking in the a.m.
when there was nothing in my stomach yet.. put that in the piss cup
and wrap it with a nice big bow.. yea this doctor is not going to get
away with how he has/is treating me. When I'm done with all of this,
if I can't find a doctor in the meantime who won't treat my pain
without piss testing me, I'm going to most likely file a complaint and
write a very detailed letter to the pompous ass himself. I've heard
more complaints about this particular doctor so I know for a fact I'm
not alone in how I react to his lack of a personality. If there would
ever be a time to realize that I am a legitimate pain client and
deserve treatment, it should be now. I'd be willing to bet that I'm a
very low percentage of people who voluntarily wanted off Oxycontin..

I see the nurse practicioner next time and we're going to talk about
things, so I'll be sure to post that visit. She already told me I'd
have to quit smoking pot in order to continue on pain pills, and if
I'm stopping the contin already and she knows that the 60 mg oxycodone
does help slightly (Pain from a 9 to a 7), I really don't see what the
problem would be, but if I have to go off all of it, that's what I'll
do if I can't find adequate pain control/improvement in function. I
am hoping she will suggest another medication for longer-acting at the
next visit, but I'll be damned if I quit smoking pot to be on pain
medication. It's just the principle.. not to mention I do believe
that smoking marijuana has helped me tremendously, if not for actual
relief of pain, just helping me be able to cope with it without offing
myself.. I'm a proponent of ganja use for sure. If these doctors are
so ignorant to its medicinal help, and they can't see that it's better
to be using marijuana instead of abusing pain medication.. then ***
'em. :)

Thanks again, OG.. good laugh for today!!


"painfully aware" <movetoh...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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Thank you, OG.. I know you're right and 99% of my anger and
frustration IS with this *** doctor, as I've posted many bad
experiences with him, especially the last visit. The main reason why
I want off these NOW is that I cannot tolerate being physically
addicted/dependent on a drug that is not being prescribed as an
adequate/therapeutic medication.. It doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm willing to try something else if offered, but I'm not going to
quit smoking pot if this doctor can't control my pain any better than
it is currently. I do believe that it could have worked well with the
breakthrough meds, had it been an adequate dose, but the last time I
asked about it, he totally ignored me and told me I had to lose that 8
pounds before I saw him again in 2 months (coming up in August). I
have done that and more, and I now realize that trying to taper on my
own was pretty dumb, but I was so pissed at this doctor, I didn't even
want to call him. I thought I could just cut the pills in half and do
it that way..

Yesterday, I got the appropriate dosages of Oxycontin (3 different mg
and scripts) to taper appropriately, although I am already one step
ahead by being on 20 mg in the a.m. and now 30 mg in the p.m. The way
I want to taper is faster than the way the doctor has it written up on
a chart for me, but I'm going to just go by how I feel and be as
careful as I can be with this. I've actually had 2 of my neighbors
who are on Methadone tell me how effective it is for their pain. One
even offered to "trade" some methadone for some Oxy.. I declined that
because there's no sense in switching addictions like you said.. I
just would like to find something that actually touches the back pain,
since it IS my worst and most debilitating pain.. However, I don't
feel that my communication with this doctor is good, so suggesting
anything is just not the way to deal with this guy.. unfortunately he
doesn't like smart women who research medications I guess.. It's a
control thing, I'm sure.. I've heard MANY other horror stories about
this particular doctor. It was also suggested to me to try to find a
primary care doctor at a different location/agency altogether. I was
told by a female doctor I saw on Thursday that this center has good
doctors who don't mind prescribing opioids for pain, so I'm going to
call and try to get in there. I've already told them that I don't want
to see the doctor, I want to see the Nurse Practitioner that I talked
with on Thursday. I honestly could give a flying *** if i ever saw
this guy again, to be honest.. He's incredibly arrogant, doesn't
listen or communicate well, and NEVER ONCE did he mention that what I
was to be getting was generic Oxycontin.. Never were the risks
discussed.. Hell, I wasn't even told it was addictive (I was already
aware of that, because I read, but he doesn't know this).. The guy is
an *** and I want as much away from him as I do the medication..
BUT, I'm not going to burn any bridges until I can find/get another
doctor with whom I can talk..

I am being very careful with tapering, and I'm not going to do it on
my own. I now have the appropriate dosages to taper with and a very
good tapering chart, and I'm following them. Thanks for caring and
understanding that this isn't my fault (at least not entirely). I
appreciate your compassionate nature and kind words, OG.. Hope you are
doing well and thanks again for writing. My shock and grief about
this drug is simply because I have NOT been down this road before,
this was the first and only drug that I've had this sort of experience
with (becoming physically addicted). That's why I compared it to
quitting smoking, because that's the only other time I've experienced
physical withdrawl symptoms and it was truly eye-opening for me.. I
guess my stupidity lies in not realizing the strength of this
medication and because it wasn't making me "high" or anything like
that, I didn't realize how hard it would be to stop taking it.
Peace,
Melissa

On Jul 22, 7:04 am, "OldGoat" <oldgoatm...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Liss,

The fault lies not with the medication, not even with you and your saying
you couldn't handle it , damn Oycontin, etc. Place the blame where it
squarely belongs, at the feet of your doctor. If you had sufficient dose,
you'd see what it can do and change your life. If your doctor was worth a
damn you'd be on a sensible tapering program instead of cold turkey
agony.
And withdrawal is withdrawal, in fact you'll find a lot of people who
will
tell you methadone and fentanyl are both more horrendous than Oxycontin.
I
don't know if you have been down this road before, with another drug or
not,
but irregardless of the medication withdrawal is a bad deal.
We've talked, and I know one thing, you don't deserve this agony, but
again
the fault is the doctors for leaving you a choice between inadequate pain
control and cold turkey. If this taper schedule is his idea he's worse
than
I think. If this is on you... you should know better, and that it does
not
need to be this bad. And the worst of it all I fear is that it will be
unsuccessful, as most cold turkeys are. I know you want rid of it, like
yesterday, but trading addictions is not going to work, that's all you'll
get out of swapping meds. I wish I could say something to convince you to
go
with small, slow, deliberate steps. Narcotic withdrawal is the best of
them.
If you did the same with a benzo, you could endanger your life, in a very
no
bull*** way. Dead instead of sick. Please consider this.

Be safe--og

"painfully aware" <movetoh...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Jul 21, 1:10 pm, The Wolf With the Red Roses <after-dark-
a...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:30:44 -0700, painfully aware
<movetoh...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote something wonderfully witty:

So you're a dumbass who took a very strong pain medication for a pain
condition that wasn't interfering with your daily activities, you
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way to jump to conclusions, or else I totally communicated
incorrectly.. I have listed my pain/conditions several times here, and
I don't know how you can judge how my pain affects me and my daily
life.. I just filled one of those out for the Social Security
Administration.. if I had a copy, I'd be glad to post it, should you
require proof.. I have arthritis with bone spurs, arthritis with
bulging discs, myofacial pain disorder, fibromyalgia, carpal tunnel/
tendonitis, bursitis and coccydenia (sp).. I was prescribed Oxycodone
hcl 15 mg 4x/day in January of this year, and prescribed 40 mg 2x/day
generic Oxycontin (Oxycodone ER) in May.

I expect some decency and humanity from any doctor who I am paying to
TREAT me.. how exactly is this my stupidity? The doctor didn't even
tell me it was oxycontin, what the risks were, ANYTHING about it..
just handed me a script. I've given it almost 3 months and it's
ineffective for my pain.. I want to get off of it.. DUH. and my pain
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