Re: Web broadcast: Predatory behavior at AA meetings

There is no 13th step in AA. PERIOD.

Any inappropriate behavior is brought about by people. NOT AA

When I was young, I had two intimate relationships that were initiated from
persons in AA.
BOTH times, I was the one being perused, I was not the pursuer.

I guess that this means that all the women in AA are sluts and abusers?

Of all the thousands of women I have met and seen at meetings and other
recovery settings, only two of them were "looking for love" So I guess, in
your way of thinking, these two represent all women??

If anyone is or feels threatened there are meetings they could attend that
is specific for their needs.
Women only
Men only
Non-smokers only
Over 50s
Homosexual only

If anyone that feels threatened, does not take advantage of, or go to the
types of meetings that would provide them the safety that they need or seek,
who's fault is that?

It seems to me that AA has provided groups to alleviate any fears that they
must feel.




"Juba" <juba@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:t20mn.cp6.17.1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The 13th Step isn't in the "Big Book" and it isn't supposed to be part of
AA.

According to "13th-Stepping:" Why Alcoholics Anonymous Is Not Always a
Safe Place for Women:
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a713829771~db=all

Abstract
"Thirteenth-stepping" is a euphemistic term used among members of
Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) to refer to people (particularly men) who target
new, more vulnerable members (typically women) for dates or sex. Previous
research suggests that women frequently experience sexual harassment in AA
meetings and even in chemical dependency treatment settings. The objective
of this survey study is to describe the frequency of various 13th-stepping
experiences in a sample of women involved in AA.

Fifty-five women, aged 17-72 years, completed an anonymous survey to
describe their experiences with 13th-stepping by men in AA. Results showed
that at least 50% of the participants had at least occasionally
experienced seven of the thirteen 13th-stepping behaviors listed in the
survey. Also, compared to women who had never attended a female-only AA
group, women who had attended such groups reported more 13th-stepping
experiences from their attendance at coed groups. Two of the study
participants volunteered that men they met in AA had raped them.

It is important that chemical dependency treatment providers be aware of
13th-stepping in AA, particularly when treating women. Especially
vulnerable women, such as those with histories of sexual abuse, should be
referred to female-only groups when possible. When women's groups are
unavailable, women should be adequately prepared to protect themselves
from 13th-stepping.

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It should also be noted that it's not just men who go to AA meetings
looking for "dates" Here's an article in Seattle Weekly by a woman
entitled, The 13th Step, Looking for Love at AA.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2004-02-11/diversions/the-13th-step.php

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So, it's a fact Ed and it's not just a few bad apples doing it.

--
Juba
www.masterjuba.com



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